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Old 02-11-2003, 04:07 PM   #15
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Jace you are right-on....we don't even need the second row of seats.

The problem is the cost of the Escalade AND it is a lot bigger than the Jeep my wife likes soooo wellll. Like I say, we are waiting on a deal and IF I can convince my wife we are ruining a nice vehicle I guess it's a go. The Escalade fits in the garage.
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Old 02-11-2003, 04:27 PM   #16
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From what I see, an Escalade is just a half-ton, SHORT 116" wheelbase Yukon with a soft suspension carrying a lot of pork. Its 6800 lb GVWR (7000 w/AWD) minus the curb weight of 5407 lbs (5641 w/AWD) leaves less than 1400 lbs for passengers, 165 lbs for fuel, near 200 lbs of Hensley, and trailer tongue weight.

A 25'9" Classic has a GVWR of 7300 lbs, so tongue weight at 12% could be as high as 870 lbs, leaving less than 160 lbs for people in the truck, after fuel and Hensley, but before a little weight is shifted back to the trailer axles.

A 25'11" Safari has a GVWR of 6300 lbs, so tongue weight at 12% could be as high as 750 lbs, leaving less than 280 lbs for people in the truck, also after fuel and Hensley, but before a little weight is shifted back to the trailer axles.

And these assume the curb weight of the Escalade is as stated. I'm betting it's significantly heavier.

The 22'4", 5000 lb GVWR, 600 lb tongue weight Internationals are the right size both in length compared to wheelbase, and in tongue weight to allow maybe 400 lbs of people (assuming curb weight is correct) but no cargo in the truck, also after fuel and Hensley, but before a little weight is shifted back to the trailer axles.

Even then, the truck could be right at its GVWR. Let's look at GCWR

With 2WD, the 7300 lb towing capacity plus a 200 lb driver and 5400 lb curb weight gives it a GCWR around 12,900 lbs.

With a 6800 lb GVW truck (two skinny people and a coupla little kids) minus the 600 lb tongue weight = 6200 lbs, the 5,000 lb International is going to put it at 11,200 GCW or 87% of GCWR... nice in the hills.

With a 6800 lb GVW truck (two skinny people and no cargo in it) minus the 750 lb tongue weight = 6050 lbs, the 6300 lb Safari is going to put it at 12,350 GCW or 96% of GCWR... okay for the flatlands.

With a 6800 lb GVW truck (one skinny person and no cargo in it) minus the 870 lb tongue weight = 5930, the 7300 lb Classic is going to put it at 13,230, over the GCWR.
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Old 02-11-2003, 04:37 PM   #17
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Changing trailers is not an option we wish to consider. Tow vehicle change is. Like I stated earlier, I have to get the trailer weighed on a local scale here; the sticker in the cupboard of the trailer doesn't say it is as heavy as what has been quoted. We do travel with empty tanks--except for a small amount of fresh water for rest stops and I have empty bins and there are closets/storage places inside unused.....

I would like a stronger SUV that is short to fit in our garage--only have about 22' available. I have to be able to get to the deep freeze.

Engine and transmission that can handle the stress/load without mechanical trouble.

Suggestions are appreciated.
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Old 02-11-2003, 04:50 PM   #18
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Kistler,

How does your Jeep do pulling your Classic?

Have you been over any mountain passes?

Have you taken many trips this winter?

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Old 02-11-2003, 04:59 PM   #19
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John,

We have only been about 600 miles since buying the Airstream in October. The dealer is in Phoenix and the road between here and there is relatively level. I CANNOT use overdrive (has a lockout) but tows/pulls fairly well on the flats.

No mountains yet but we are going to Colorado Springs next month and as you know it is up on the map.

I listen to you guys, believe it or not, and I feel we are "taxing" the Jeep. Quadra Drive has to have service every 12,000 miles anyway and costs $200 approx. regularly for that....I can imagine what other drive train stuff is going to cost.

Any suggestions?
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Old 02-11-2003, 05:06 PM   #20
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PS ... the other miles are to Patagonia, AZ which trip had a few hills.....never needed 2nd gear apparently and the other trip was to Parker on the river. That was also relatively flat. We don't seem to be susceptible to sway from semis or anything; I drive between 55-60 where legal. The rig stops well. I can do an 8-wheel skid stop on gravel.
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Old 02-11-2003, 05:22 PM   #21
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Kistler,

Your trip out to Co Springs will give you a good feel on how your Jeep performs on some steeper grades. So before making any moves on a new tow vehicle, use the Jeep and this will give you a good base to work from.

Since your garage is the limiting factor on what type of tow vehicle you can fit in it, I'd visit a few local dealers and see what's available. Tell them the size you need to fit in your garage, how much your trailer weighs(use the GVWR of 7300#'s) and let them see what they have available for you. You may find something that none of us would of thought of.

I guess you need to get out and hit the pavement!!

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Old 02-11-2003, 08:09 PM   #22
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Hello

Most of you know I'm not big on the large vehicles but I do enjoy reading, and keeping up with the current trends.
I'm wondering if a the big V8 in a Dodge Durango might be more appropriate. Less bulk and weight with slightly lower centre of gravity and wide track. I don't have all of the numbers in front of me but I would think they are roughly the same as the big bulky caddy at a price that is reasonable. When I had my sisters Hummer for a couple weeks I found the bulk a bit of an inconvienience for everyday use.
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Wayne,

Another Forums member just bought one of these:

http://www.dodge.com/grab_life/past_...ango_hemi.html

This sounds like it will take care of Kistler need to fit in the garage.

It also sounds like it will pull a house!!

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I was going to suggest the Durango as well based on the before mentioned info. The only thing I didn't like was the ride of the Durango due to the leaf springs in the rear, but that was a couple years ago. The trade-off is that you use these things for towing about 10% of the time, the rest of the time they are the daily driver and need a decent ride then as well.

I feature of the Escalade/Yukon that I definitely like is the tow/haul mode, which changes the shift points for better towing. Also, I have the Autoride feature on the Yukon, that I believe is standard on the Escalade that automatically adjusts the shock damping rate and the ride height. It works great towing and the thing rides as well as my Continental did.

Have you checked out the Lincoln Navigator? A colleague of mine has brand new one and it is pretty sweet as well. Not sure of the tow ratings, but assume it is close to the Escalade.
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May I suggest? Eat all those steaks and, throw out the freezer...lol

Solve your tight space problem in that garage.

You're doing the right thing..asking questions..The one thing you don't ever wanta be is: Coming down a steep hill and, the trailer taking over control from your tow vehicle.

Just a thought," Have you considered renting a vehicle for that special trip?" This could be worked into a test drive, of a certain vehicle, to see if it truly fits your future requirement.
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Old 02-12-2003, 05:13 AM   #26
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With 3.73 Axle Ratio [i] You Can Tow 8700 lbs2
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) [i] = 8800 lbs
Payload [i] = 2630 lbs1
Curb Weight [i] = 6174 lbs
Curb Weight Front/Rear = 3515 / 2660 lbs
GAWR [i] Front/Rear = 5200 / 6150 lbs
Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) [i] = 15000 lbs

With 4.1 Axle Ratio [i] You Can Tow 10700 lbs2
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) [i] = 8800 lbs
Payload [i] = 2630 lbs1
Curb Weight [i] = 6174 lbs
Curb Weight Front/Rear = 3515 / 2660 lbs
GAWR [i] Front/Rear = 5200 / 6150 lbs
Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) [i] = 17000 lbs

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