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05-22-2014, 06:31 AM
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Rivet Master
2015 30' Classic
2012 28' International
Greensboro
, North Carolina
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,708
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I added the 2d A/C to my 28' last summer. 'Nuff said.
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"SilverLeaf II" 2015 30' Classic
2019 RAM 2500 Limited 4x4 CC w/6.7L Cummins
ProPride 3P
AIR# 58452
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08-23-2014, 04:42 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2014 28' International
2008 27' International FB
Sonoma
, California
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 26
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Get two. In the CA foothills, our 27 cannot keep up with the 95-100 degree heat at all with just the single unit.
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08-23-2014, 09:26 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2011 34' Classic
Sebring
, Florida
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 145
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Go for dual A/C. You won't be sorry.
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David, Debbie,
and our 2 dogs....
Max and Rudy!
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08-24-2014, 02:33 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
, Mississippi
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 12,111
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It's more than getting a second a/c.
It is getting a 50 amp trailer instead of a 30 amp trailer.
Now, you can use the a/c and the microwave or a hair dryer at the same time without tripping a breaker.
I will never ever never have a 30 amp trailer again!
Regardless of which brand of trailer purchased, this is one piece of advice I wish everyone shopping for any RV trailer or motorhome would hear me out on-
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2013 Classic 30 Limited
2007 Silver Toyota Tundra Crew Max Limited 5.7 iForce
2006 Vivid Black Harley-Davidson Road King Classic
1999 Black Nissan Pathfinder LE
TAC #MS-10
WBCCI #1811, Region 6, Unit 56
Airforums #70955
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08-24-2014, 03:31 AM
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Rivet Master
2020 30' Classic
Derwood
, Maryland
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,515
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27 or larger and you need that second A/C unit!
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2020 30’ Airstream Classic
**I Love U.S.A.**
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08-24-2014, 03:33 AM
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Rivet Master
1999 34' Excella
Currently Looking...
Hillsboro
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 6,408
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"Adding" 50 amp and second AC are not trivial to do at home. It is far better to have AS Factory install.
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Peace and Blessings..
Channing
WBCCI# 30676
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08-24-2014, 03:54 AM
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Rivet Master
2015 30' International
2009 27' FB International
2007 25' Safari
Currently Looking...
Greensboro
, North Carolina
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,564
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In a newer unit, the cost of the second A/C will return itself at resale. And even in my 2009 27 FB International one A/C would not keep it below 80 degrees in almost any southern venue in the US.
The 50 Amp cord.... well at age 72 I handle this by simply being careful and not attempting to lift the entire cord at once. Maybe a minute or two more work, but the convenience of not having breakers trip, especially if one has an espresso machine, hair dryer, etc, which might do this in a 30 amp, more than makes up for the slight bit of work dragging the big cord around.
And, there is really no extra space in a trailer for a portable A/C unit, and this does not sound like good advice.....especially in a new purchase.
Ms Tommie Lauer
Greensboro, NC
2015 Serenity 30 RB / 2008 Dodge Cummins 4 X 4
WBCCI #4165 AIR #31871
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Ms Tommie Fantine Lauer, Greensboro, NC
AIR #31871 KQ3H
www.fantinesvoice.com
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08-24-2014, 05:42 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
, Mississippi
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 12,111
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The benefits of a 60 amp trailer far outweigh the one down side- that big ole heavy, unruly black snake-
He is even stiffer and harder to handle in the cooler months-
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2013 Classic 30 Limited
2007 Silver Toyota Tundra Crew Max Limited 5.7 iForce
2006 Vivid Black Harley-Davidson Road King Classic
1999 Black Nissan Pathfinder LE
TAC #MS-10
WBCCI #1811, Region 6, Unit 56
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08-24-2014, 06:12 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
, Mississippi
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 12,111
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60 amp?
I meant 50 amp..
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2007 Silver Toyota Tundra Crew Max Limited 5.7 iForce
2006 Vivid Black Harley-Davidson Road King Classic
1999 Black Nissan Pathfinder LE
TAC #MS-10
WBCCI #1811, Region 6, Unit 56
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08-24-2014, 07:04 AM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Currently Looking...
Currently Looking...
2022 Atlas
Homosassa
, Florida
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 729
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The 50 amp has many advantages especially when running a/c microwave and anything else simultaneously. Has 30 amp on our 25' and one a/c. Had to manage power usage and on Florida summer it never cooled below 80 during the day. Our 30' 50 amp dual a/c cools great and we don't have to decide what can be on at the same time. Bottom line. If I had a pup tent I would have dual a/c and 50 amp. Lol
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08-24-2014, 08:04 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction
, Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 6,222
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If ordering a new unit, one can pay an up charge to have both the second air conditioner and the rear fantastic fan (I read on the forum a member paid a factory charge of $1,000 for the modification for the second fan with two air conditioners).
Another useful modification is the reversible air flow switch for the fantastic fan.
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2014 31' Classic w/ twin beds, 50 amp service, 1000 watt solar system, Centramatics, Tuson TPMS, 12" disc brakes, 16" tires & wheels
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08-24-2014, 10:56 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2013 27' FB Classic
Clermont
, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 431
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Another benefit is running one of the ACs in the other living space. For example, run the AC in the bedroom while you are I. The galley / dinette. So much quieter.
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2013 27 FB Classic Limited
2019 Ford F250 King Ranch 6.7L Diesel
WBCCI 03288 TAC PA-17
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08-24-2014, 09:24 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2013 27' FB Classic
Clermont
, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 431
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Quote:
Originally Posted by m.hony
The benefits of a 60 amp trailer far outweigh the one down side- that big ole heavy, unruly black snake-
He is even stiffer and harder to handle in the cooler months-
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I have a 50 to 30 amp pigtail that connects to the trailer. I use my 30 Amp extension cord as the primary cord. This works well when I don't need 50 amp power
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2013 27 FB Classic Limited
2019 Ford F250 King Ranch 6.7L Diesel
WBCCI 03288 TAC PA-17
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08-25-2014, 06:10 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
, Mississippi
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 12,111
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In the 100 degree 100% humidity south we rarely ever can do without a/c. Even in winter I want to run both heat pumps and the microwave.
That is a good idea, but I sold my 30 amp extension cord. I guess I'll keep wrangling the big, thick, heavy, stiff, unruly snake-
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2007 Silver Toyota Tundra Crew Max Limited 5.7 iForce
2006 Vivid Black Harley-Davidson Road King Classic
1999 Black Nissan Pathfinder LE
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08-25-2014, 08:48 AM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Broadway
, North Carolina
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 838
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alternatives to 50amp/240v upgrade.
There are options to add a second A/C without having to upgrade existing Airstreams to 50amp/240v service.
One option is to add a dedicated 120v line, with single circuit breaker, for the AC.
That dedicated line could be a standard extension cord plugged into the 20amp outlet on the campground power box:
Or the dedicated line could be pluged into one half of a 50amp/220v spltter like this. The Airstream's maim power umbilical plugged into the other side. Each side could supply up to 50 amps at 120v when fed by the 50amp 240v campground outlet.
Another option is to leave everything as-is and let the second A/C unit share the oven/microwave circuit with a smart power sharing gadget. It connects two high current appliances to one breaker even though together they would trip it.
It is called a priority switch, load shedder, or automatic energy select switch.
It works by hooking two high current loads (up to 20 amps each) to the black box and then running the input to the breaker.
So.... the existing microwave breaker would only have capacity to serve the oven or the second A/C but not at the same times. But consider that it would be OK to pause the A/C for a minute or two while the microwave runs.
Place this automatic switch near your breaker panel and hook wire going to the microwave to high priority side of it. Hook the second A/C unit to the low priority side.
- If you turn on the second A/C when the microwave is off, it works.
- If you turn on the microwave when the second A/C is off, it works.
- If you turn the microwave on while the second A/C is running, power is paused to the A/C until the microwave is finished.
- If you turn the second A/C on when the microwave is running, it will wait until the microwave is finished and then the second A/C goes on
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2000 F150 4.2L (retired), 2011 F250 6.2L, 2010 ML550, 2000 Excursion 7.3L
Broadway, NC
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08-26-2014, 05:29 AM
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#36
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Rivet Master
1995 30' Excella
Bowie
, Maryland
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,345
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayward
Place this automatic switch near your breaker panel and hook wire going to the microwave to high priority side of it. Hook the second A/C unit to the low priority side.
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Older Airstreams (before sometime in the early 90s) used to have a 120 volt wall switch mounted somewhere that would do the same thing for the microwave vs. the air conditioner (I presume it was a 3 way switch, but I never looked at the wiring to confirm that). My '91 B190 had the switch, but our '95 trailer doesn't, so I've narrowed the change down to somewhere in that vicinity.
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2014 Ram 2500 Crew Cab with Cummins 6.7L Diesel
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