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Old 04-03-2014, 04:56 AM   #43
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Is the 27FB the model with panoramic windows front and rear? That is awesome.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:02 AM   #44
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1)Start with the size and decor of the trailer. ( and / or price break)
2)Then make certain you can tow it comfortably. ( i.e. What is your TV?)
3)Sit in the trailer for as long as it takes to imagine living in the trailer, from preparing meals, sleeping, bathing, watching TV and simply lounging. We sat in our current AS for several hours and discussed attributes and options. ( probably drove the sales personnel nuts!)

We added solar thru the dealer. Added 16" LT Michelins, added a full floor instead of carpet in the LR, deleted TV on wall behind dinette ( too hard to see screen from couch) and thus were able to place nice 26" tv on cabinet in LR for viewing from couch.

We usually spend about 4 months a year in our AS ( not consecutive) and immensely enjoy the comfort, decor and amenities.

We ordered our AS from JC.

Try to discern what will irritate you the most in any trailer over time. e.g.: cabinets, where microwave is placed, access to refer, kitchen sink, watching TV, tank capacities, etc. …then…can you live with those irritations or are they deal breakers.

Many prior posts are erudite and insightful.

Take your time!!!! ( we once owned a fifth wheel then "saw the light" and found our niche in camping.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:36 AM   #45
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oh and I forgot this thread to review as well.....good luck in your considerations....so many cool options to consider. We abosolutely loved some of the more modern decor of the international models....a 28 of a serenity tempted me....
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f483...rv-109342.html
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:49 AM   #46
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I looked at that option but don't think I can convince the wife we're sleeping on separate beds. The twin beds are longer than the one queen and me being 6'4 it makes sense to me, but not her
One more comment on twin beds. I really like the modification Doug and others have done where they replace the dinette with recliners. But our college age daughters still go camping with us so for the moment we need the sleeping space that the sofa/dinette provide. When we are all in the trailer they sit at the table or on the sofa with their laptops or iphones, while we sit on the twin beds in the back. I sit back in the corner with my feet up and a couple pillows behind my back. It's actually pretty comfortable. Some day when it's just the wife and I we may look at doing the recliner mod.

With the twin beds we also have the wrap around windows in front and back so it feels very open and light. We spent a rainy weekend with our daughters in Oklahoma a couple weekends ago and it worked pretty well.

But we do get the "Ozzie and Harriet" comments from people who see the twin beds.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:58 AM   #47
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Ive been to the airstream site numerous times. I've been inside about 100 new ones.
Howdy and welcome to Airforums!

Say, if you have been inside that many trailers, you shoulw be in a position to tell US what the differences are!
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:40 AM   #48
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We went back and forth about the dinette but decided overall it was best for kids - still - it has it's downsides but overall it is great for the kids
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Old 04-03-2014, 01:38 PM   #49
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One more comment on twin beds. I really like the modification Doug and others have done where they replace the dinette with recliners. But our college age daughters still go camping with us so for the moment we need the sleeping space that the sofa/dinette provide. When we are all in the trailer they sit at the table or on the sofa with their laptops or iphones, while we sit on the twin beds in the back. I sit back in the corner with my feet up and a couple pillows behind my back. It's actually pretty comfortable. Some day when it's just the wife and I we may look at doing the recliner mod.

With the twin beds we also have the wrap around windows in front and back so it feels very open and light. We spent a rainy weekend with our daughters in Oklahoma a couple weekends ago and it worked pretty well.

But we do get the "Ozzie and Harriet" comments from people who see the twin beds.

Ricky and Lucy beds...
The twins are a good idea. Easier to walk through, easier to make up, and more storage accessed from outside the trailer.
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My wife and I have a 3.5 year old son and 16 month old daughter...and a boston terrier...

We spent about 2 years contemplating which model, year, etc...size was the hardest decision, but it became easier once we had settled on the notion of a bunkhouse model.

Its only been since 11/15/13 since we picked up our 2014 FC bunkhouse, and so far we adore it.

It does sacrifice alot for the bunkhouse....but the notion of fiddling with preparing areas for naps and for sleeping as a shared space was less than ideal for us....having said that, we did vacillate a ton over sofa models 27 vs 28 vs. 30 and so on...personal preference cannot be understated I imagine.

For now, we sleep our daughter in pack-n-play - we deploy it and it sits on the dinette after pushing down the table top flush....son prefers the upper bunk. we are now pretty close to done with the pack-n-play and our daughter will sleep on the bottom bed (full size) - this will be entirely hassle free for all naps and putting kids to sleep...leaving the rest of trailer free for us.

Below are a couple links to relevant discussions of bunkhouse vs. others for parents....in reading this thread, I get the sense you will not lean toward a bunk model....but figured I would provide the info in case the idea has not been tossed around.

Good luck!

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f516...se-106222.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f292...lub-29241.html
Funny you said that... we wanted the Bunkhouse from the get go, but were trying to justify getting in a 27FB or a 28 instead. You make a lot of good points about the BH and your preferences are the same as ours. We're tossing around the idea of the BH still but we like the idea an openness of the windows. BH seems to take away from that. Do you know if a BH can have the nightstand option in the bedroom? Or is it the full wardrobe?

On a side note, I heard the 28's dont have the nightstand option from the get go because its already lacking in storage and when they do purchase them with the nightstand option, they go unsold.
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Howdy and welcome to Airforums!

Say, if you have been inside that many trailers, you shoulw be in a position to tell US what the differences are!
Haha, honestly, I probably can now. When I started this thread a couple days ago I was only in a handful, now I can say I've been in almost every model at least 5 times.
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Old 04-03-2014, 03:00 PM   #52
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Im not sure about swapping the wardrobe for nightsand in the BH model...perhaps doable...maybe...would probably cost a pretty penny to do this mod...others would have to give insight about that..or call JC. I actually would be fascinated by the bunkhouse we have with twin beds and nightstand and retain overhead storage in our unit...this would allow me to go with my brothers and nephews on weekend trips and have more flexible sleeping arrangments...but I digress..

Ironically, we did the very opposite...we started wanting something like a 25 or 28 footer sofa model....but then later discovered BH, spoke with multiple owners and others who had kids in airstreams....we spent several weeks debating how we will use our airstream, the compromise between having the sofa living room area as opposed to easier more permanent sleeping quarters...once we started imagining the routine of prepping for sleep...and including future friends on our adventures...AND for us including some weekend trips my nieces and nephews off and on...the utility of the BH for our needs became more clear...

We started contemplating the utility of a living space within the AS being more open, more window light etc...as opposed to more convenient and more quantity of sleeping quarters and ease of transition...

We plan perhaps in 5-6 years buying a lakefront property to pull the AS to here locally for weekends...and will enjoy having family over in the BH...

I guess if you read my comments, you can see that the utility of the sleeping arrangmements became a greater focus (for us)...that and storage....kids have their own storage in the bunk area for their own stuff...

The compromise though is as you said, you lose some openness...perhaps alot of natural light....lose the bigger couch...but its not a compromise to the point of being cave like by any means....the middle section of the bunkhouse with windows along both sides and with skylight is bright...the smaller 6.5 foot couch is awesome for relaxing, I prop a couple pillows against the wall that seperates that area from the bedroom, very comfortable...Dinette is great for kids to romp around on and watch a movie while we prepar food...

Either way you go, its all good...the choice of which compromise will be yours and both are winners!

I think we just philosophically settled on seeing our AS as a sleeping quarters for primary utility with us and our kids and compromised accordingly...

I still entertain in it...friends come over and we sit out there and drink and shoot the breeze...I have unoficially termed it "the man can" (wife not happy with that as the formal name as it is not gender inclusive enough, lol) - so the layout provides plenty of opportunity to host a few people...

We are (for example) going to be down near Destin FL in a bit more than a month for a full week - our two close friends who do not have kids will probably stop by and stay a couple nights...they will have the bottom bed of the bunk area to themselves....but for the most part while we are all together we will be outside enjoying the outdoors....

Good luck in your search!! No offense, but I am glad I am no longer going back and forth in my head about that subject - I tend to obsess a decision until I finally make it
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For families with two young kids I think a bunkhouse is hard to beat. We bought an SOB bunkhouse when our twin daughters were about 4. Each one got a space of their own, and we could put them to bed in that end of the rig without having to put down the dinette, etc. The bunks also make a good place to store things...each had a suitcase that went on the end of their bunk along with their toys, and they made a handy place to put things you want to get out of the way for a bit, like sleeping bags, laundry bags etc..

Once the kids got to be 11-12 years old, the bunks started to be a bit cramped (the top bunk in particular can be claustrophobic), so we moved up to a 5th wheel (but that's another story).
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@PharmGeek - I hate you.... Haha... I pretty much had my mind set on a 28' International but now I cant stop thinking about how the 30' BH makes so much more sense, especially after reading your comparisons on the 2 if you have kids (which we do)

Anyone know if they're going to be coming out with an International BH? I like the options the International has over the FC models. What about if ordering the 30' FC BH with the nightstand options? I've only seen them with wardrobes.
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haha, well I actually do recall feeling very very similar when considering the BH model.

The interior of the BH model (flying cloud) is as you know relatively basic....not the frills of those international models you speak of.

I can only say that after we spent some physical time in both, we really gravitated to the BH, and after all was said and done, my previous affinity and feelings of apprehension melted away to an afterthought.....

But YMMV....and I think a 28 international would definitely get the job done and be an absolute blast...and it looks fantastic.....

Both have compromises involved given the presence of kids...and those considerations...either way you choose, once you choose, you will be happy.

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Hey, how about this: buy a used BH now. Then since AS retain their value so well, when the kids don't want to camp with you guys any more you can flip it for a new International in the right size and shape for your next round of adventures. Meanwhile you save some green today and have what you want the whole time.
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