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Old 11-02-2017, 09:29 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by Sam.A View Post
Thank you all for your comments and the link to the 23D thread. I really appreciate hearing from real-world users and to hear the likes and dislikes.

I have a 2007 Ford F150 5.4L and am not too keen about buying another truck, so the 23' sounds like it could be pulled reasonably well with what I have.

We will do some serious evaluation of the bed arrangement. I'm not opposed to sleeping in the front and my wife taking the rear bed. It sounds like that's been an acceptable arrangement for some folks.

It's 6 of one, half-dozen of another. Larger bed with smaller living quarters, smaller bed with larger living quarters. Decisions decisions!
We had a 19' Bambi before acquiring our 23D, so we were used to the rear bed. It's a double size, and while someone has to climb over if there are 2 in bed, it works for us (both under 5'7" and 140). The extra feet in couch sitting is what swung us. We love it.

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Old 11-02-2017, 09:46 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by Sam.A View Post
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It's 6 of one, half-dozen of another. Larger bed with smaller living quarters, smaller bed with larger living quarters. Decisions decisions!
Well, we had never thought of it like that! Since (1) we've been sleeping in a king-size bed for a half century, and (2) we are "no touch" sleepers, the idea of sharing any bed smaller than king is not appealing to us. We actually view our sleeping arrangements as quite generous: Linda in the 48" wide rear bed and me in my great bed up front (as I recall, it's about regular "twin size" when converted from sofa, an operation that takes all of fifteen seconds.

Originally Posted by m.hony View Post
Yes, the front sofa/dinette/lounge makes a bed...
Yes, and a very nice one, too. Here's a thread that I posted some time ago showing a super-simple "mod" that I did to make "my" front bed perfect

But remember, everyone's different and what's perfect for us may not sing to you.


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Old 11-02-2017, 10:17 AM   #17
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We looked at the CB, but the corner bed in our 19' was way too claustrophobic. Ended up not getting the 23 anyway.
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Old 11-02-2017, 11:03 AM   #18
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-- snip -- remember, everyone's different and what's perfect for us may not sing to you. -- snip --
Well stated - we could never consider separate sleeping - we could care less that the there is no couch - we like the reasonable sized bathroom - we like the double sink - our 23FB sings to us. (we would like the new ducted AC and 12in brakes)

The 23s are great coaches if the smaller space works for you. The D/CB model is a nice compromise if a small bath and corner bed works for you. The FB works well if you want a larger bed and bath. The smaller coaches are an opportunity to save initial cost if the use of a single axle is acceptable for your use. The 20 has nice living space, the 22 is a smaller version of the 23FB with a narrower profile if tight spots are your thing. The 16s are cute and functional and the 19 adds some space to your life. The Basecamp is more usable than it appears to be at first consideration and a really nice hard tent with amenities.

But go sit in the bigger coaches before you buy. Know yourself before you buy. If you go for a 23, join us on the dedicated threads and tell us what you are doing to optimize your smile maker. Good luck - investigate first. Pat
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Old 11-02-2017, 12:35 PM   #19
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I say jump on the deal! We ❤️ Our 23D Flying Cloud! Reasons already stated:
Tandem axels, narrower profile, nice lounge converts to bed, tows like a dream with our Toyota Tundra.
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Old 11-02-2017, 12:46 PM   #20
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Nice floor plan. This was one of the choices that I had when buying. There are pros and cons to EVERY floor plan. What I like about the model is the lounge area. The console with sofa is nice for movie watching/evenings sitting around. That may sound odd camping but I cannot tell you how many times I have been thankful for a sitting area inside because of rain, cold, etc. The floor plan, similar to my 25' I bought used, provides, IMO, the most versatile use as the table folds up against the wall and the sofa is built-in sitting that faces the correct way for TV watching, etc. The dinette layout eats up the floor space and is not a problem with this setup. If it is in good shape GRAB IT!

That of course is all to do with how you plan to use it. How long will your ventures be? How many will travel, etc. The 23 has the largest shower. The corner bed issue is mainly based on 1)couples crawling over each other and 2) bed making is difficult. Bed making can be solved with a fitted coverlet and sleeping cocoons- sheet sets designed like a sleeping bag- really neat. The other caveat on 23' is the tank sizes. Longer ventures can be supplemented with a rolling portable dump tank. Pick up a Thetford 35 gallon tank for about $200 and you will have more dump storage than any Airstream- about 56 gallons for grey water. Sounds nice. Make sure you can sit on the toilet, get in the shower, try out the bed and, the sofa is a jackknife. They are semi-comfortable as a sofa or a bed. I bought an inflatable mattress for mine and it is now as comfortable as any bed when I need it. If it is like mine, you may be able to get a double size inflatable. It would extend a bit over the side but not much and be a bit larger than a twin inflatable. Check the top area of the sofa extended down.
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Old 11-02-2017, 01:00 PM   #21
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We love our 23ft trailer with the corner bed. We are 2 middle aged fair sized people but fit just fine - we like to snuggle and the bed is cozy but not cramped. We mad a "baby bumper" for the wall out of a windsheild sun protector - it is silver so blends right in and prevents rolling into a cold metal wall at night. We use a single duvet on the bed so making it is easy and the duvet covers us both with out too much hanging down. Ikea is a great place to buy the duvet and covers. In cooler temps if we have electric hook up we run an electric blanket. We have always fit in national parks and love the 2 axels. NO wasted space or extra hallways in this model. The front dinette is very functional and the long couch great for a nap or spreading out. It is perfect for us and we have been on the road for 8 weeks at a time. We have a pickup truck with a cover and have plastic bins of extra stuff in there - the bins make it easy to slide and access even if the dont have much in them. We love the little bed so much we only have queens in our home now and ditched the king bed. Plus sides, 2 axels, fits everywhere and no wasted space. Would not want anything bigger as weather permitting we are outside - that is our whole reason to camp.
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Old 11-03-2017, 07:31 AM   #22
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Thank you all again for your excellent input and comments. It's much appreciated. There's a lot to take in and I will be studying everything you have posted!

Cheers / ~Sam
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Old 11-04-2017, 07:53 AM   #23
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