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Old 09-29-2011, 09:00 AM   #71
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At this point I think it's easier to take an Arctic Fox as perhaps the larger version of a Casita for what SOB owners regard as "high quality" (in the main; if one is polling RV boards). I've done no comparisons to date, but these would constitute my other contextual bookends to an E/B analysis; A/S at the other end. Outside of aerodynamic/suspension concerns for SOB's I'd also be doing a window-area to floor-space ratio calculation. And count views from any seated positions. These other trailers lose a good bit on this.
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Old 09-29-2011, 02:42 PM   #72
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Maybe if Earthbound and other RV manufacturers target this quality issue head on AS will finally address it rather than lose sales to better built trailers. I would hate to defect as I think AS is much better looking on the outside and tows better on the open road, but I will seriously consider it before buying another
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The peak was in the earliest 1970's for high end aero travel trailers. The average car loan was three years, wages peaked in 1973 with but one bread-winner per family, and hours worked hit bottom.

The day of folks being willing to pay the equivalent of a median-priced American home for a TT are long past. That group travels differently now. With far fewer children.

A/S survives due to cost-cutting. After airline "de-regulation" and the rise of too much commercial truck traffic, women going to work, flat or declining wages and Americans working more hours; all of this since ca.1980, the day of these trailers passed for sheer numbers produced. The better, more expensive brands have been gone for twenty-plus years.

Families found it easier to fly and rent a car. No time, too much trouble, and waaay too big an investment in todays economy: too little savings, too much debt, and no family wage jobs created since 1999.

An EB -- or another like it -- ought to be able to bridge the gap between labor-intensive construction & materials, and offer a better value. A/S needs to do something about the weight. That, alone, would "cure" many of the problems mentioned above.

Still, the slab sides lacking a minimum 12-degree curvature and the lack of FF/RR rounding make this trailer prone to the crosswind problems of towing a SWB. Not everyone is willing to sacrifice the wide range of TV choices an aero trailer gives.

Before you change, FlashSilver, give thought to the years ahead when for reasons unexpected today you use the trailer quite differently.

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Enjoyed your reply, but you are forgetting a key demographic: The baby boomers.

BTW, I recently visited my dealer and all the Airstreams that I looked at earlier this year were sold (except for one). Guess who bought them:
boomers!

Boomers Create a Booming Luxury RV Market

Baby Boomer Generation is Pushing RV Ownership to Record High
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Old 09-29-2011, 09:02 PM   #73
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Flash, do you think the Earthbound will be better for boondocking than the Airstream?

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I really don't know but I intend to find out. It really gets down to the structural properties of the composites, how strong, stiff, hard, and enduring is it. I have no idea. We need some of the engineering types in this forum to tell us what properties these composites have or don't have. If we believer the hype put out by EB, this is really good stuff, and I haven't heard any contradiction, yet. But it is worth investigating because the wood in an AS is one of it's weak points.
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Old 09-29-2011, 09:14 PM   #74
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Interesting post Flash. Dividing a group into 2 kinds of people is risky. Individuals don't always fit into one of the other. We used to backpack, but in my case, knees upset that endeavor. Eventually the Airstream was a solution to traveling and we like both full service campgrounds and remote campgrounds without services. We don't want to go to restaurants all the time and have always brought lots of food with us even when we were using motels. Neither our Airstream, motels, condo rentals or backpacks contain all the comforts of home and certainly not the quality of home construction.

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I tried to moderate my position by using words like "most" and "some" but apparently not enough. I, too, have met campers like you who have a foot in each camp, but I think will agree that you are a minority. Nothing wrong with that. My brother has a 17' Casita ( great trailer) and he camps with me for a week then goes off to a full service campground for another week. My point really was about quality and that boon docking was really hard on a traditionally built trailer. But your point is well taken, there is no perfect trailer and AS is going for broad appeal.
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Old 10-01-2011, 09:07 AM   #75
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Enjoyed your reply, but you are forgetting a key demographic: The baby boomers.


It was the WW1 and WWII generation that bought these en masse. The boomers were the ones detailed: wives worked, fewer kids, less time & money. Not interested in spending on a $$$ trailer. Flying overseas, or multiple vacations, etc more attractive.

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Old 10-01-2011, 10:21 AM   #76
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Here's what I remember about my walk thru a 25' or26' Evergreen last winter.

Absurdly large bathroom. I think it's a waste of space.

No windows by the bed (has it's pros & cons).

No sofa. The main reason I would move up in size is to have a place to sit besides the bed or the dinette.

I too though things under the trailer were low and looked vulnerable.

I thought the A-frame was very light weight. I think it was C channel. not boxed.
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Old 10-01-2011, 01:54 PM   #77
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Agree with Wayne/Sam. Was initially impressed by EB's huge bathroom, but why would you need it in a TT? There are more advantageous uses of space.

Airstream will always have an identity. And a positive one for the most part.

Earthbound could be described as a conundrum. Will it cement its own positive identity in the future? Will they even sell enough units to determine that?
Time will tell.

Posted some pix of EB earlier. Photo is blurry, but will give you an idea of bathroom size.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f48/...tos-78493.html
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Okay....thinking back to that EB I went through (see above) pictures, one stupid thing about the floorplan is the location of bedroom and bath. They are at opposite ends. So, if you're sleeping in the bedroom and let's say you have visitors in the kitchen/sitting area, you have to walk through that area to get to the bath. Now, would I want whatever visitors my significant other picked up in the campground/RV park and invited in for a coffe and a yak to see me parade through in my ratty nightgown or other crapola thing I usually sleep in when camping?

Aside from that, such appearances would necessitate a "Hello, nice to meet you" and other asinine conversation. Sometimes I just like to hide in the bedroom and not talk/see anyone.

What I love about the AS is the fact I can section-off bed/bath from other areas for privacy.

Stupid, stupid, stupid....on Earthbound's part.
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Old 10-01-2011, 10:48 PM   #79
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Buying an AS in Canada has many advantages, i.e. our RV standards are higher. Vehicles built for sale here must not contain formaldahyde for one. We also have stricter manufacturing standards.

I have been inside every Airstream on the dealer's lot. There were no "chemical" smell whatsoever.
Airstream doesn't make a different version for Canada... their default spec meets US and Canadian standards... I've imported 2 of them in 2 years and the USA model has all CSA certifications...
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Airstream doesn't make a different version for Canada... their default spec meets US and Canadian standards... I've imported 2 of them in 2 years and the USA model has all CSA certifications...
Hi, I'm not sure of this; Maybe Airstream Inc. or a dealer could explain it. Seems that the Canadian versions have more clearance lights and/or reflectors than the USA models. I don't know what else could or would be different.
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Hi, I'm not sure of this; Maybe Airstream Inc. or a dealer could explain it. Seems that the Canadian versions have more clearance lights and/or reflectors than the USA models. I don't know what else could or would be different.
My 07 Basecamp and 06 International required no modifications to pass RIV inspection... All the accessories in both had CSA and UL ratings... Maybe on some older models there is a difference...
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Yes, would appreciate clarification.

Maybe it's more of an issue with SOBs vs. Airstream, but was under the impression our manufacturing standards were higher.

My 2010 has the CRVA sticker.

Here's link to CRVA website which details some of the specs.....
About the Canadian Recreational Vehicle Association and CRVA Membership
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There are some slight differences in code requirements between US and Canada - I know that one example is added protection for the external propane lines for Canadian units.

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There are some slight differences in code requirements between US and Canada - I know that one example is added protection for the external propane lines for Canadian units.

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Tom, thanks for that. I knew there was a difference, especially when it comes to the use of urea formaldahyde in upholstery and insulation; prohibited in Canada!
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