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Old 05-03-2012, 12:31 AM   #71
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If something as trivial as Sex in an Airstream has become a Freedom of Speech issue, how about when something meaningful is being discussed?

Not too long ago I had a comment on the state of medical insurance in the United States blocked. To rub salt into my wound, the Moderator who wrote to tell me so was a CANADIAN.

Something along the line that though my post was probably well intentioned it might inflame passions!

I was not being the least bit rude in the post and I can promise you that I didn’t say anything obscene (even if I think that so many Americans without health insurance in one of the richest countries in the world is obscene).

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Freaking Canadians and their free medical care... what a bunch of pinko's. What a dumb idea... everyone paying for what everyone needs and uses.

Next thing you know they're going to put Internet in Canada and then other people are going to want public health care too...

... wait a sec ...
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Freaking Canadians and their free medical care... what a bunch of pinko's. What a dumb idea... everyone paying for what everyone needs and uses.

Next thing you know they're going to put Internet in Canada and then other people are going to want public health care too...

... wait a sec ...
This is exactly the kind of irreverant humor that some people find so offensive but I find so smart and funny. I have two masters degrees and the first app I got for my new iphone was The Atomic Fart (25 different selections). Some people enjoy this stuff. BTW my wife deletes it everytime she gets her hands on the phone, She says I have no sense of propriety or polish and most of the time she feels like she is living with a 12 year old.Having said that we have been married for 30 years, have raised three kids, and have a good relationship. Some women are never satisfied. AGAIN very inapropriate.
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Freaking Canadians and their free medical care... what a bunch of pinko's. What a dumb idea... everyone paying for what everyone needs and uses.

Next thing you know they're going to put Internet in Canada and then other people are going to want public health care too...

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Old 05-03-2012, 05:51 AM   #74
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A thread about a thread. And we're complaining about the Mods. Let me grab a beer. This should be interesting.......

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I think this thread has also gone about as far as it can go.
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I think this thread has also gone about as far as it can go.
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I'm afraid the silver spandex went up in smoke; I was trying to ignite my oily rag torch so I could "storm the castle."

How about the black ones?.....and that's all you're getting.....

But...no hard feelings. I accept the mods' decision.

Thanks all, for participating. It was fun (while it lasted).
I think we should let OP FAN's post be the final take on this.
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How about a thread called "Sleeping in an Airstream"? We can argue about the best bed, how Airstream uses cheap mattresses, how to fit a bigger mattress in the trailer, whether the mattress is too warm or too cold, whether foam toppers are a good idea, the very heavy bedspread recent models have come with, and sneak in some 1950's double entendres too.

The point: silliness and sex will break out no matter what anyone does.

A non-point: A friend had a "fart machine" which made the noises Dan talks about except not on an iPhone; we were all very, very glad when the batteries ran down.

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"Thanks all, for participating. It was fun (while it lasted)."

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Despite thinking that the thread was OK and that it could have stayed open, I respect the moderators' decision. Indeed, I think we have very good moderators on this forum. I used to subscribe to a site for my old school, which was not "official" and was run by an individual who took it upon himself to do the work. The trouble was that he was the only moderator; judge and jury combined, and he was manic about keeping on topic. How he had the time to police the site I will never know but it all fell to pieces as he started to interfere too much, banned people who upset him and then started snooping in PMs. So, whilst I don't always agree with the moderators here, you do a very good job, I think.
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How about a thread called "Sleeping in an Airstream"? We can argue about the best bed, how Airstream uses cheap mattresses, how to fit a bigger mattress in the trailer, whether the mattress is too warm or too cold, whether foam toppers are a good idea, the very heavy bedspread recent models have come with, and sneak in some 1950's double entendres too.

The point: silliness and sex will break out no matter what anyone does.

A non-point: A friend had a "fart machine" which made the noises Dan talks about except not on an iPhone; we were all very, very glad when the batteries ran down.
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Actually, that heavy orange bedspread is one of my favourite things about the FAN. It is very well made and keeps me very warm. The lighter bedspreads end up around my ears (I'm a restless sleeper). The FAN bedspread, with its tailored corners, stays put.

Also love the orange colour. I never thought much about orange for an interior accent before, but the AS designers made a very good choice. There is something very cheerful about it. It grows on you. I love that pop of colour everytime I go into the bedroom (or when I'm sitting at dinette looking into bedroom). I think I like it because it reminds me of happy things during those formative years: Halloween pumpkins, orange popsicles, mom's tangerine-orange kitchen nook, and those mandarin oranges at Christmas.

Now, I'll just have to find more spandex leggings....in orange.

Disclaimer: No prurient innuendo meant or intended.
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Just my 2 cents: The thread started out kind of funny with some creative use of the double entendre, as well as just some funny bits about the logistics of romance in a travel trailer. After a while though, it wasn't really funny anymore, just lewd.

I think if it had been kept a bit more highbrow, the thread would been shorter, and more enjoyable. I stopped reading after a while just because it wasn't funny anymore. Any middle school kid can make a lewd joke, but it takes some intelligence to make ironic, or subtle joke that lends to a higher form of humor. At some point, I felt like the thread was just digressing more and more and people were going to feel free to add pornographic material. I doubt the owner of airforums, or the moderators would want this site reclassified as an 18+ site.

If you want to stand up a sex-in-trailers website, I'm sure you'll be able to garner a following, as well as probably generate revenue through adds. True, you don't have to read a link if you don't want to, but there is a certain amount of respect you need to give to the moderator and the owner of a site. He created the site to help people to connect and help them with their trailers. A thread like that cheapens his work. Whether or not you think so, you were molesting his creation, his site. I'm glad the moderators have standards, and feel better about directing friends to this site because the content is helpful. This isn't about free speech, it's about self control.

I love you guys, and enjoy the forums and all the open experiences and friendship. I look forward to pulling my 64 out to a rally at some point in the future and meeting you in person. However, as the husband of a very actractive woman, I will be watching a few of you rather closely.....
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I believe that the problem is that Airforums has a moderation strategy that involves deleting posts that are genuine violations of TOS, then locking threads that draw such posts, then posting a non-explanation as was done initially here. Eventually enough posts from people who saw the original problem material, explanations from other mods, and so on show up so that it's possible to piece together what happened.

So we now know that the mods were tolerating the thread, then someone posted something really gross that included images or links or something, and so the mods deleted the problem material and closed the thread without explanation. Why did they have to close the thread? Well, because some of them never liked it in the first place and they decided that the discussion had kinda deteriorated and it was a lot less work to close the thread than to continue to police it.

It's a poor moderation strategy that isn't respectful of community, because it's a slap in the face to Fly At Night and the many people who thought that it was harmless fun, and who followed the rules with their posts.

This is not a problem that's limited to the "sex in an Airstream" thread.

You'll know that Airforums has jumped the shark if this thread now gets locked because I've dared to be criticize the site team. Nothing to see here, move along, fnord fnord fnord.
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Why did they have to close the thread? Well, because some of them never liked it in the first place and they decided that the discussion had kinda deteriorated and it was a lot less work to close the thread than to continue to police it.

This is a big leap and inaccurate. Closing a thread is something we don't do lightly and it almost always is MORE work not less, than just letting something run it's course. The site team is tasked to maintain the community as specified in our community rules; these are the very same rules that each member agreed to when they joined. Frankly we often let stand some content that might otherwise be removed in the hope a discussion that has veered off course will right itself and we can just move on without mod intervention. This unfortunately was not the case in the sex in an airstream thread.

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It's a poor moderation strategy that isn't respectful of community, because it's a slap in the face to Fly At Night and the many people who thought that it was harmless fun, and who followed the rules with their posts.
Respect is a two way arrangement and you are ASSUMING that all posters followed the rules. This is not the case but the site team is not going to discuss the particulars of any one members posts or moderator interactions regarding those posts in a public venue. This is private and between an individual member and the moderator involved; we work hard to respect each members privacy.

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You'll know that Airforums has jumped the shark if this thread now gets locked because I've dared to be criticize the site team. Nothing to see here, move along, fnord fnord fnord.
I encourage you to read our community rules - all of them. This one in particular has been stretched substantially in the last 24 hours:

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We had hoped that this thread might help members understand a bit about how decisions are made but it is becoming a distraction from the intent and topic of the forum - Airstreams.

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I guess we each have a different idea of what 'Nice" is.
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