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Old 05-02-2012, 08:20 PM   #43
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I'll honestly say, I thoroughly enjoyed the 'Ex in and Airstream' thread. Sad to see it go.
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:22 PM   #44
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...which coincided with the last time I for one even looked at it.

Not always so...oftentimes these sorts of threads are viewed only by a view active individuals - but those few look at it every time a new entry is added and go back to review it over and over - much like a lot of the "high view count" WBCCI threads. It's the same few posting and viewing over & over again...

It ran it's course, it's over ~

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Totally fine with me that it's over, but I still don't see the logic there... Active is active, views are views, numbers are numbers. I imagine there are a bunch of non-active profiles on the forum that are never used. Those non-active people are not adding views and posts to the community or CREATING the community, it's the active people who are adding and viewing, and therefore creating the community. What the above logic assumes is that there is a perfect, homogenous community that is airforums which exits void of active, participating people.
The logic is flawed because a community such as this is built on participation, views and posts. It would be like saying the most popular ride at the carnival isn't actually the most popular ride because it's actually being ridden by people over and over again....
Once again, it's a private site and they are free to close a thread, I'm not saying that's wrong in the least, but at least call a spade a spade here as most people are.
Plainly put, it got a lot of views and posts, it was popular, and obviously added to the experience those people felt they had, to say it was otherwise is being disingenuous. But, it's perfectly fine for the mods to close it. It's up to them and they have their reasons, which seem balanced.
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:23 PM   #45
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You do great work Dear Moderators.
This forums site has been a wealth of information to me and most others that use it. We share our trials, tribulations and success stories with each other with the sole purpose of keeping our beloved Airstreams functioning and rolling down the roads.
Some posts are funny, some curious, some inquisitive, and unfortunately, some offend people.
You Mods take great pains to ensure the rest of us know how to search, navigate thru the site, protect us from scams, help folks post classifieds and make corrections to their posts.
You laugh with us and share your own humor as the rest of us post some of our ridiculous stories and experiences.
You also have the task of policing the forums, most of the time your work is appreciated, sometimes not. It is a tuff job.
But I, for one, respect and admire the work you do. I appreciate the effort, dedication and time you put into your tasks. That AIR Forums sticker is a desirable commodity. I believe you are a major part of why it is.
So Thanks Dear Mods, Keep up the good work.
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:24 PM   #46
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I understand that Andy owns the forum and that is financed by advertisement and due I have never seen anything on laws/bylaws or governing body (moderators). So how does one know when they are in violation? I questioned a post once and was told that was what the delete button was for.
Is there a place on the forum where this information is listed?
It comes down to judgment and standards.

The mods decide when the line is crossed and the content of a post or thread has gone too far. Someone has to do this, it can't be a free-for-all.

They don't have arrest powers, just delete powers.

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Old 05-02-2012, 08:39 PM   #47
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Ok....it's resolved....it's to be known henceforth as the Oligarchy of Air.

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Old 05-02-2012, 08:44 PM   #48
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Airtandem, look at the blue bar at the bottom of the page toward the right for community rules. I never noticed them for about a year and then never read them for another year. They should be at the top, perhaps under "Community".

As for the thread's content—it was often silly, even dumb, sometimes clever and sometimes funny.

When discussing gov't censorship, the question isn't the quality of the content, because no one can agree on that, but whether the content is protected by the 1st amendment, and just about anything is—exceptions are defamation, child porn and obscenity (there are others such as no jokes when boarding an airplane, but no need to get into that). Obscenity is extremely hard to prove and effectively has no limits. This is a different question (gov't censorship), but the fact is it is hard to define rules and content. This can result in no or few rules.

The difficulty in defining things also exists for private parties. For private business the limits are what the owner wants and what turns off the "members" ("members" is a word misused because membership usually means the members have a voice in governing). Forums like to avoid controversy because the Forum loses either way—leave it up and people are unhappy, take it down, same result. I have seen some Forums where flaming is all that exists and I can't imagine why anyone would read the posts. Others are so sanitized they are worthless. Being a moderator seems like a bad job—it takes much too much time, no pay, and the longer you do it, the more people don't like you. I also equate "moderation" with dullness, although most of the moderators let just about anything go, some certainly do not. That inconsistency does not help.

Also, if threads and posts are removed that are not "work safe", that allows an undefined company out there to determine what is ok here. Seems to me employees should do their own censoring at work. For the Forum to guess what is ok at thousands of workplaces is something impossible to do. In reality the mods are guessing what is "work safe" and their own sensibilities actually determine what is safe and what is not.

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Old 05-02-2012, 08:48 PM   #49
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You Guys take this to seriously. I have been the "penalty box" three times and got to "meet" some really great Moderators. I enjoyed this one while it lasted and like Sherry said.."it ran it's course." We can now work on finding a new hot button.
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:54 PM   #50
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You Guys take this to seriously. I have been the "penalty box" three times and got to "meet" some really great Moderators. I enjoyed this one while it lasted and like Sherry said.."it ran it's course." We can now work on finding a new hot button.

I don't think you'll find the ABCDEFG spot here.

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A thread about a thread. And we're complaining about the Mods. Let me grab a beer. This should be interesting.......

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Honor tradition please

I know I have been away for a while, but really, guys. Please try and honor the time honored traditions of the site and irrationally fume about axles, polishing, Walmart overnights, or the WBBCI.
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Old 05-02-2012, 09:13 PM   #53
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They do award an Oscar for editing! Hats off to the Mods!
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A few observations from a FORMER moderator (Jim, not Susan).

As Gene pointed out, the First Amendment applies to the government, not everybody else (that would be all of us here on the forum).

The owner sets the standards for this place, nobody else.

"Family Friendly" can mean your 80 year Grandma or you 8 year old daughter (and anybody else in between).

The Mods work for free (or at least they did when I was a Mod, I assume it's still the same).

Being a Mod can be a real PITA at times. Members scream and yell. Threaten you (really, I'm not making that up). It's a thankless job.

If THEY thought the thread should be closed, trust me on this one, there was a bunch of genuine, thoughtful debate going on the "back room" before any action was taken. This is the most important point of all. These folks care about this forum and do everything they can to protect this site and keep it a nice place to visit.

The rules the Mods use to govern here are not necessarily publicized. That's the way the real world works. Sorry.

I read some of the thread is question. Some funny stuff in there. I'm no prude (not by a long shot), but I was a little surprised by some things I saw there. Not judging, just an observation.

OK boys and girls. Storm the castle and make me the bad guy.

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Old 05-02-2012, 09:29 PM   #55
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I thought the thread was juvenile and added nothing to the airstream family. Goes to show how diverse our airstream family is. Jim
If it wasnt for this forum I wouldnt of learned what a rainbow sticker meant.
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If it wasnt for this forum I wouldnt of learned what a rainbow sticker meant.
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f523...eam-76632.html
Me too—and we have a gay friend who owns an antique store with a rainbow painted all the way around the 2nd floor. I can be really naive.

Gather your pitchforks and light the torches—it is time to Occupy the AirForum. Oh, how do we do that in cyberspace? Do I put a fork through the computer?

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