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Old 04-14-2003, 06:07 PM   #15
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sorry but I wouldnot tow any rv other than a pop up with the vehicles you own. they are both nice but not right for that job.You need something with more power and longer wheel base .I would never put my family in a questionable position. camping should be fun never potentially dangerous.I have been towing trailers for 25 years?
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Old 04-14-2003, 06:32 PM   #16
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I'm in COMPLETE agreement with you~!

http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/n...ionalequipment

Rather interesting report~!
Do you suppose with the right brakes and, enough leather on the sole it COULD work??

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Old 04-14-2003, 07:16 PM   #17
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I can tell you this, having experienced trailer sway on a 31' Airstream, pulled by a 1 ton rated pickup, (9200 GVW) anything less would be suicide. Listen to what these folks here are telling you. Remember the old saying, "If I had only known then, what I know now?" Well you can, right here, right now. We may not tell you what you want to hear, but we will tell you what is right and SAFE.
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Old 04-14-2003, 07:23 PM   #18
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I am not sure how this unit came to look like this, but I bet it was either not being towed with a proper setup or a panic manuver was made.
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Old 04-14-2003, 07:49 PM   #19
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While a Tundra would not be my choice for towing a 5,000lb. 31' either, I am not at all sure that it is an unreasonable choice. Tow ratings seem to be in excess of 7,000 lbs., and wheelbase is 128 inches and a bit. Thats longer by a good bit than a full size Chevy standard cab shortbed and less than two inches shorter than a Suburban - which is arguably the most popular tow vehicle for AS of this size.

I'd want to look at the issue much closer than I have done here, but I wouldn't just reject the idea out of hand.

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Old 04-14-2003, 09:22 PM   #20
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This redefines the meaning of "a picture is worth a thousand words".
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Old 04-14-2003, 10:38 PM   #21
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With four people and the right floorplan, you could seat 4 for dinner at the big fold-out table in front of the couch with two chairs on the opposite side. Not all floorplans accomodate two chairs here though. And two skinny people could sleep on the couch.

But if by growing, you mean the family will be more than four people, you probably need the dinette in addition to the fold-out table for dining. It only sleeps shorter people, i.e. kids.

In anything less than a 34', having the dinette compromises wardrobe space.

My thoughts...
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Old 07-19-2003, 08:49 PM   #22
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What about CCD 16ft?

I, too, have a eurovan (camper version which can supposedly tow a little over 4000lb.) and thinking about 16 ft. CCD. My wife and I visited a local Airstream dealer and fell in love with the design of CCD. However, I understand that the van can't tow much and only thing that we can tow is probably 16 ft. You think this is too much? I understand that CCD is approx. 3,500 lb loaded, which allows for a little bit of room. However, someone in this thread mentioned that you should tow up to 75% of the allowable weight. That means 3,500 lb is over the limit!!! I would like to join the Airstream community and would like your advise. Thanks!!!
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Of course it's entirely up to you if you think that is a safe margin. Be sure to consider wheelbase and the condition of your vehicle (if the engine is already tired it won't last long being asked to pull it's maximum recommended weight). You'll find a lot of discussions about tow vehicle selection and wheelbase on the forum.

I was also ready and eager to join the airstream world when someone pointed out to me that the vehicle I already had bought and expected to use to tow, a lifted Bronco, was a poor choice due to suspension setup and wheelbase. I was given differing opinions by different people, everything from 'it'll do fine' to 'don't even try it'. Finally I traded for a full size van. It's comfortable, roomy, doubles as a work van for our business, and pulls the little trailer like it's not even there, even up steep mountains. Best of all it can pull a bigger one someday if we ever decide to move up.

The most important thing is that the trailer is well under it's capacity, and the wheelbase is far more than we need, and we have been driving it all over with confidence. That was worth the switch. I think I'd have been very nervous with the Bronco, not knowing if it was really a good idea to tow with it or not. The peace of mind was worth the switch.

If you investigate it and are comfortable with your choice, then try it. The worst you could have to do is replace the tow vehicle later.
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I will have to agree with PICK
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My wife and I own a '01 VW MV Weekender. We are seriously considering a new Bambi 19' CCD when they become available, or we can fianncially swing it.

Here is what our situation will be:

Right now when we camp, we bring the bare minimum, but enough for us to be comfortable for a trip.

Whether we go for a two or three day trip or one month, we tend to bring: 3- 2 1/2 gal drinking water, five gallons of water in colapseable "cube" for dishes, etc. a couple of lightweight folding chairs, very portable Pyromid charchol BBQ, three burner coleman, Powerbook for DVD's a coleman cooler with our food, and our clothes. We also carry an LL Bean screen tent to escape skeeters. We restock supplies as needed. We certainly could not be packing more than 250# of stuff, plus our combined body weight of 380# (We are working on that though...)

If we had the Bambi, wouldn't it be feasable to fill the water tank with only say 8-10 gallons of water before a trip, which I don't see why , if we are careful, would last a couple of days, and then refill at site as needed? Or even travel with empty tanks, period, and just bring our ussual stuff. The unloaded weight of the AS is 3600# so with our 250# plus 380# people weight and 80# of H20 are we OK.

Something else that we have considered...due to the wife having a real 9-5 job, 95% of all our trips will be within 2-5 hours of Chicago= FLAT travel. We drive at or under the speed limit, and in the right lane. By the time we have another oportunity to do another longer cross-country thing again, it will probably be time to buy a new tow vehicle. I fully intend on going with a weight distributing system and possibly sway control. Have not thought that far yet.

A company called Da'Lan makes a 2" Class 3 receiver. I just had one installed on the van yesterday. 5000# Gross trailer weight, 400 tongue.

Either way it's pretty close...

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I remember you from a while back, still got the bug eh?

Sounds like you are almost there, a good reciever hitch on the van seemed to be the biggest hurdle and you got it installed. You have set your expectations low, flat land, low speeds, pack light so I would go for it! I had a Eurovan for a while, a 1st generation, and while I wasn't too impressed with the engine, trans, and braking, it handled like a dream. With the VR6 and the 4 wheel discs they have pretty much taken care of that. I wouldn't tow with the A/C on, would recommend a Jordan Ultima controller and a good transmission oil cooler.

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Hi all,

Today my wife and I visited a local Airstream dealer again to check out the 16 ft CCD. Sales person told us that they are going to increase price of this little guy by $5,000 next year. Is that true? I don't think we can afford it this year but thinking about purchasing in the next 2 years or so.

I thought AS was already kinda expensive but another $5k for 16ft. That would make it $37k with all of the options that they had.

If $5k increase is true, I would buy it soon.... but I don't usually trust these auto sales kinda guys. Any idea?

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If we had the Bambi, wouldn't it be feasable to fill the water tank with only say 8-10 gallons of water before a trip, which I don't see why , if we are careful, would last a couple of days, and then refill at site as needed? Or even travel with empty tanks, period, and just bring our ussual stuff.
I never travel with more than about 5 gallons of fresh water. Just enough for toilet flushing and hand washing.

Depending where I am going, I may take the collapsible jug in the bed of the truck. I have been known to ask at a service station near my destination to fill my tank from their outside faucet, either by hose or by collapsible jug. I have never been refused.

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If you are than close to the rated toing capacity, I thyou will be disappointed in the performance (or lack thereof). Don't forget, the unloaded weight is an estimate based on a pre-production model and doesn't include options.
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