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Old 09-24-2016, 12:25 PM   #15
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Had a 2014 16' and traded it for a 2017 19. Main reason was the addl. storage. They have the same dinette and the same size bed. Bathroom setup is much nicers, especially the separate shower. Toilet space is a little cramped but fine. The main advantage again is the storage, double or triple the storage space, also the stove has a fan in the 19 and the new 19's have the ducted AC system which is great. I used to tow the 16 with a Nissan Frontier with the 4.2 engine. Did fine and I'm sure it would tow the 19 and struggle just a bit more. Towing now with a Ram eco diesel and it's great. Have done as well as 22mpg, and never a power issue.

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Old 09-24-2016, 12:29 PM   #16
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16 vs 19

We had the 16 then went to the 25 now back to the 19. We hated the wet bath on the 16. We got the 25 which was older and we wanted the newer ASso we purchased the 19. Strange out TV is a 2014 F 150 and I believe the 25 was pulled better then the 19. We love the 19 but in a couple of years we will go back to the 25. The gas mileage on the 25 was 10.3 and the 19 is 10.7. For that we want the 25. Good luck.

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Old 09-24-2016, 12:30 PM   #17
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Our first Airstream was a 16' Bambi with wet bath. We used the toilet, but seldom showered, opting to use the campground showers most of the time.

Our second Airstream is a 20' Safari with the same bath pictured in one of the responses. More often than not, I choose to shower in the Airstream, while my husband still goes to the campground showers most of the time (at 6', he finds it a little cramped but usable).

I also like having a separate bathroom sink, so that kitchen sink is reserved for kitchen duty.

The towing question has never been an issue for us since we bought a truck big enough to haul a horse trailer. It is always nice to have more towing capability than you actually need.
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Old 09-24-2016, 12:36 PM   #18
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From reading many posts and from my own experiences, my advice is to heed your doubts, whether they may be. If you doubt that a 16' will meet your needs, because of the wet bath, the chances are you're right. If possible, even at great expense, rent one and try it out for a few days or a week. Whatever expense and effort it takes to rent one is nothing compared with the expense and effort of selling one because you don't like it. Or, if nothing is available to rent, buy something used that has a wet bath, even if it's not an Airstream, and try it out for a season. Hopefully, if you buy something used that has already depreciated in value about as much as it's going to, it won't cost you that much to trade it in or sell it after a year.

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Old 09-24-2016, 01:02 PM   #19
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16' v 19'

We have a 16' and love it. Didn't really like the floor plan on the 19 (two sinks in a 19' trailer?). We like the size of the 16', really easy to tow anywhere and we like to do dry camping. We normally don't stay anywhere more than 4 or 5 days and usually break up our trips with a night in a nice hotel so the shower size is not that big an issue for us. It is a small shower but will do the job for a quick soap down.
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Old 09-24-2016, 01:09 PM   #20
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You have another choice - the 22FB Sport. Larger bed, full bath and narrow body make for easy towing and actually lighter weight than a 19' FC. With a good hitch installation you would have no problem towing the 22.
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Old 09-24-2016, 01:42 PM   #21
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Thanks allum for all your help. Definitely not interested Ina tundra so sounds like 16 may be our only option anyways from a hauling standpoint bath issues aside
I pull a 19' with a 6 cylinder Grand Cherokee with no handling issues at all. We compared both, the extra sink by the bathroom (don't have to brush teeth in the kitchen) and extra closet space made a big difference.

We chose a 2012 19' over a 2016 16' and paid less for the 19. Can Am did the hitch work and test drove the setup with me, explained the WD hitch and let us camp in it prior to pickup. It was an awesome experience!

Compare weights before you get the 16.
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Old 09-24-2016, 01:55 PM   #22
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We had a 16 ft and I always thought the effort of getting the wet bath ready for the shower was more effort than just going to the campgrounds shower. That and the single black/waste water tank had me concerned about being forced to dump when there wasn't a sewer access at the site. We moved up to a 25 with larger capacity tanks and use its shower every night.
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Old 09-24-2016, 02:40 PM   #23
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We have a 2006 19' and towed for 9 years with an 07 Tacoma Double Cab with tow package (an important feature). The Tacoma was enough truck to tow it. We would not win the race to the top of the hill but we did get there, which is the point, after all. We just got a 2016 Tacoma Double Cab with a tow package. It tows the Bambi even better.

Before we moved to the Bambi we had a small B+ rig with a wet bath. We hated the bath. It also had a sofa/bed that had to be converted to the bed and made every night. Hated that too. When we decided to make a change to a trailer, the two things we insisted on in a trailer was no wet bath and a dedicated bed.

Even in the 19' we wipe down the shower after we use it, so that will be the case in either size for us. The down part of a 19' is that the shower will become a storage place as well, especially if you don't use it every day or so. We usually use the campground showers unless we have full hookups. I suppose the unloading and reloading of the shower stall to take a shower is as much a pain in the neck as dealing with a wet bath, which probably is not used for storage quite as much.

That said, we have several friends who have 16' Bambis and they all like them. So much depends on your camping style, etc, and if you are good in small spaces. The latter is very important when having either a 16' or a 19'! I think aside from the actual floor space and the wet bath the biggest down side of a 16' is the single waste tank. The 19' has separate grey and black water. Neither one has much counter none (we use the dinette table as counter space).

If we were to upsize it would probably be to a 23' FB.

Good luck with your should try to spend some time in both to see how the "fit"... imagine doing your daily routine in them.
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Old 09-24-2016, 03:11 PM   #24
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The lack of separate Black/Grey tanks was the deal breaker for us when we chose the 19 over the 16.
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Old 09-24-2016, 03:29 PM   #25
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Here are reasons we chose to not buy a 16 * We bought a 22.

*no real storage in bathroom for towels (we can get 4 rolled towels under the sink in the 22)
*no counter space in the bathroom (we have a roomy counter for shaving, doing make up, or washing up)
*no ability to get dressed in the bathroom (even my husband can towel off or change clothes in the bathroom in the 22)
*combined gray/black tank capacity for boon docking (we essentially have nearly double the capacity with the 22)
*no operable window in the bathroom (we really like the functional window in the 22, especially when camping in national parks with no electric or AC)

Other reasons we decided against the 16, 19 or 20
*bed was too small (22 has a 54 wide bed vs 48 in the 16,19,20)
*lack of kitchen counter prep space(in the 22 there is more space to prep than most AS, and more than in the 16 OR 19)

Better overall storage under the dinette

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Old 09-24-2016, 03:48 PM   #26
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We've had both the 16' and the 19'.

Small is beautiful for the places we like to camp in, like out-of-the-way BLM campgrounds and state parks built during the Days of Yore prior to today's big rigs.

We would have kept the 16', no problem, but it was totaled in an accident. We towed it with a Tacoma. When we decided to replace it with the 19' Flying Cloud, we upgraded the truck to a Tundra. We live in the mountains and the nineteener, at 4500 lbs, would have been a bunch more weight to pull up those passes.

Jeanne used the wet bath in the petite Bambi on days when it was dry, warm outside, and preferably windy. The all-in-one wet bath concept wasn't the problem so much as the amount of humidity it added to the interior if the day was already damp, let alone cold. Len generally preferred to use CG/RV park showers.

We really considered a 2015 16' Bambi for #2, but we would have added on the front stone guards and the rear fender. They can do this at the dealership for an extra charge. These are not standard on the Sport. They are on the 19' Flying Cloud.

The separate shower in the 19' is an advantage, but you probably want to have full hook-ups or just a night or two stay to shower, because the gray water tank still isn't gigantic. You also get some more kitchen space, but no more counter space.

Hygiene requires extra attention in the sixteener, with just the one sink. We solved the problem with packets of baby wipes in the wet bath, and just cleaning out the one sink with a Lysol wipe & water post-tooth brushing and prior to dish-washing.

Our truck has a canopy (topper) which provides a huge amount of storage space, so we don't require much inside the Bambi.

We appreciate the bigger windows, front and back in both models. Your best view at a campground is often out your back window.

We didn't have any particular issue with towels. We don't store much under the dinette. Both units come with a folding door near the rear to provide extra privacy for whoever wants it.
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Old 09-24-2016, 04:09 PM   #27
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Just a word on the waste water tanks.

The diagnostic panel is your friend. We checked it a lot on the 16' Bambi. Once we actually did overflow the waste water tank, which was fairly awful. It backs up into the loo through the floor drain. Fortunately nothing escaped from the cubicle. Jeanne cleaned it up while Len looked on and supervised.

After that experience we bought one of those portable blue plastic waste disposal tanks on wheels. (aka the Biffy Box.) We've never had to use it, but on long stays in one site, it's in the truck as a back-up. Generally in a campground or RV park, we would use their facilities during the day, and save the on-board toilet for night-time or emergency (!) use.

Also, we became adept at not adding unnecessary gray water down the drain. We enjoy off-grid desert camping, where conserving fresh water and waste-water tank space are parallel concerns. We wash dishes in a stackable rectangular plastic tub, and discard the water outdoors. (In a sanitary way, of course.)

Water-conserving showering is possible through the system of (1) positioning two plastic tubs in the west bath/shower area to catch most of the water. Take a cup in with you for scooping it out and hair rinsing. (2) getting wet, then turning off the water, (3) soaping up, (4) rinsing, including with any clean captured water. I wouldn't worry about it in an RV park with full hook-ups, naturally. In an absolutely private back-to-nature setting, you can also use the outdoor shower.

Where there's a will, there's a way. We never found the 16' Bambi cramped, and when we had it we camped with a medium-size dog, as well.
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Old 09-24-2016, 04:37 PM   #28
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All good thoughts and opinions! There really is a lot to consider, as I'm sure you've seen with the responses. Water/waste capacity, bed size, storage, campsite size. These are all issues to think about in addition to the bath. Your intended use will answer some of the questions, but even that may change as you start using your trailer.

Go and sit in all the models you'd consider. Some folks are happy with their 16', but most people do move up in size. I think if we'd bought a 22' originally, it would have prolonged our desire to upgrade.

Good luck!

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