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Old 03-30-2017, 06:00 AM   #1
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Are you ever "tempted"? Class-A tries to take me away sometimes...

The devil never sends and ugly woman or an ugly A-class to tempt us.

We have two young boys 7/4 who LOVE to camp and we go heavy, usually at least three weekends a month and several 10 day trips per year. We have a 27FB right now, which works well, though I know the time will come where they may want to bring a friend. Or, even now, when the boys stay at the grandparents it would be fun to have another couple go with us, but even with close friends it may seem a bit awkward with the small bathroom, etc.

Two things deter me from a spacious A-class...or, well, several things:

Cost- just so much more expensive naturally. We've been spoiled by AS quality that an "affordable" one just seems so darn cheap inside. To get what we'd feel is similar would probably run 200...and maybe used even at that. Plus I'm very intimidated by the unknown maint cost on those and even the cost of tires, regular maint.

Brand loyalty- Right now, we feel so invested and known for our Airstream. All our friends love it and ask about it and everything else is, well, just another SOB. Not in a vain way, but I just love having something so unique and recognizable.

Vehicle- I do love, with the AS, being able to take our big, comfy 2500 Suburban to have and enjoy once we've dropped our Airstream at the location and are exploring the city we're visiting. I do hate the idea of having to buy some dinky car we wouldn't have bought anyway just to pull and exploring the whole trip in a little CRV or Scion. (I know you can pull larger, but still)

Hanging out area- I just wish the AS could configure where there was a more casual spot to hang out. The A's do have nice conversation areas that are there and ready without pulling all the cushions off each time,dropping the table, etc.

Please know that I realize all these are relatively minor, but I'm just talking though whether to make a move while my 2009 Ocean Breeze is still pretty high resale or use it until we outgrown or even consider the 30 bunk.

Thoughts? Sorry for the ramble. Was good to confess.

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Old 03-30-2017, 06:27 AM   #2
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Look into the real costs of a Class A, and you might change your mind. I'm going the other way. I loved my 40' DP but at this stage of my life it's too big. I travel alone. It was great for friends to join me. But on a limited income now, the $600 oil changes, $500 tires, and $260 daily fill ups have taken the fun out. (A new air filter was $275) OBTW, today I'm installing the new pair of $150 batteries to start it up in it's expensive storage yard. Yes, it was a love affair, but now we've grown apart.
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Old 03-30-2017, 06:32 AM   #3
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Your last comment referred to resale value. If you get an "affordable" class A motor home you can pretty much forget about retaining resale value. I just traded a 30' class A for a 27FB Flying Cloud. Just two years old, the motor home was worth about half it's original list price.
You will also have to maintain that motor home. It has an engine, transmission, cooling system, steering, exhaust, all the fun stuff that breaks down and leaves you stranded. I couldn't find replacement wiper blades at the local parts stores or at Camping World. They told me to try the tour bus dealership in the next town.
A typical class A is 12 feet tall, vs 9 ft for an Airstream. You can expect to get 6-7 mpg with the Ford V-10. And don't get me started on slide outs or automatic steps that don't want to operate.
Whose idea was it to put the noisy vibrating generator directly under the bed, anyway?
Been there, done that. Not going back.
We walked through a FC 30 bunkhouse out of curiosity. Very nice. And the bathroom, though a similar layout, is roomier than the one in the 23D.
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Old 03-30-2017, 06:33 AM   #4
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Look into the real costs of a Class A, and you might change your mind. I'm going the other way. I loved my 40' DP but at this stage of my life it's too big. I travel alone. It was great for friends to join me. But on a limited income now, the $600 oil changes, $500 tires, and $260 daily fill ups have taken the fun out. (A new air filter was $275) OBTW, today I'm installing the new pair of $150 batteries to start it up in it's expensive storage yard. Yes, it was a love affair, but now we've grown apart.

Thanks for the experience review. Exactly-- I've had some surprises on this one, but thankfully all small in comparison.
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Old 03-30-2017, 06:36 AM   #5
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Your last comment referred to resale value. If you get an "affordable" class A motor home you can pretty much forget about retaining resale value. I just traded a 30' class A for a 27FB Flying Cloud. Just two years old, the motor home was worth about half it's original list price.

You will also have to maintain that motor home. It has an engine, transmission, cooling system, steering, exhaust, all the fun stuff that breaks down and leaves you stranded. I couldn't find replacement wiper blades at the local parts stores or at Camping World. They told me to try the tour bus dealership in the next town.

A typical class A is 12 feet tall, vs 9 ft for an Airstream. You can expect to get 6-7 mpg with the Ford V-10. And don't get me started on slide outs or automatic steps that don't want to operate.

Whose idea was it to put the noisy vibrating generator directly under the bed, anyway?

Been there, done that. Not going back.

We walked through a FC 30 bunkhouse out of curiosity. Very nice. And the bathroom, though a similar layout, is roomier than the one in the 23D.

You shared and validated my exact concerns. I've always joked that it's nice to know that if anything happens problem wise, I can always drop the airstream on the side of the road and still get my family home, etc. we aren't stranded.

Every time we go to an RV show instead of feeling jealous, I come home to ours, which is paid for and in perfect condition, and love it even more despite some small changes we'd make in a perfect world.
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Old 03-30-2017, 06:36 AM   #6
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As it pertains to the Class A diesel pusher, I can truly say that I have "been there, done that".

Yes, it's nice to have everything at your fingertips, but consider just a few things;

-Your current tow vehicle has NTSA crash ratings, airbags and restraints for all passengers. With the exception of Bluebird and Prevost, no other Class A offers this level of safety. Roll the typical Class A and you'll end up with a pile of balsa and plastic.

-Cost. I got very weary of $300 oil changes and being at the mercy of the heavy truck shops every time something broke. I'm pretty handy, but when you're trying to maintain the engine, air compressors, air bags, leveling system, air operated dump valves, etc. it just gets overwhelming.

-Cost, pt 2. We put a set of new tires on our Bluebird and it was just over $5000. For a set of tires!!

-Fuel efficiency-We were lucky to get 6 mpg with the Class A versus 13 with the pickup towing.

Overall, I'll never go back. But, to each their own. There's a reason they make so many different kinds of RV's. You have to figure out what works best for YOU.
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Old 03-30-2017, 06:39 AM   #7
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As it pertains to the Class A diesel pusher, I can truly say that I have "been there, done that".

Yes, it's nice to have everything at your fingertips, but consider just a few things;

-Your current tow vehicle has NTSA crash ratings, airbags and restraints for all passengers. With the exception of Bluebird and Prevost, no other Class A offers this level of safety. Roll the typical Class A and you'll end up with a pile of balsa and plastic.

-Cost. I got very weary of $300 oil changes and being at the mercy of the heavy truck shops every time something broke. I'm pretty handy, but when you're trying to maintain the engine, air compressors, air bags, leveling system, air operated dump valves, etc. it just gets overwhelming.

-Cost, pt 2. We put a set of new tires on our Bluebird and it was just over $5000. For a set of tires!!

-Fuel efficiency-We were lucky to get 6 mpg with the Class A versus 13 with the pickup towing.

Overall, I'll never go back. But, to each their own. There's a reason they make so many different kinds of RV's. You have to figure out what works best for YOU.

Holy cow. 😳. See....that's what I want to avoid. I had mercedes for years and I spent a ton to maintain them, yet was scared to take them out of town worrying that something would break and I'd be at someone's mercy. You gave me that flashback. Ha!
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We seem to have talked you off the ledge. My work here is done.
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Old 03-30-2017, 06:59 AM   #9
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We seem to have talked you off the ledge. My work here is done.

Back to deciding what to have for lunch.
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Theres always a larger Airstream for extra space..30, 23 34ft.
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Old 03-30-2017, 07:23 AM   #11
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Just to round out my Class A "horror story", I need to tell you about the transmission.

We were coming back home from Georgia and went to get off at the SC welcome center. The bus wouldn't shift down into anything lower than 4th gear so we couldn't climb the hill into the welcome center. Called a tow truck.

After waiting 3 hours, the tow truck driver was able to get us up into the parking area and had to REMOVE THE AXLES before he could tow us any further. Then, we found out that the transmission on this bus was a rare transmission made in Germany (the ZF) and the only service center was in Pennsylvania. We either had to move the bus to PA at $1.75 a mile, or remove the transmission and ship it there for a $20k overhaul.

"Nightmare" doesn't begin to describe it. LOL
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Old 03-30-2017, 08:17 AM   #12
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Once our kids reached 8 - 10 yrs old, they didn't want to stay in the trailer with us anymore. They wanted their own space, ie: tent. If it was soaking rain or we were actively traveling day by day, they stayed in the trailer. If we were sitting for a couple days, they slept in a tent. Upgrading for more sleeping space might backfire on you in a few years. Just a thought...

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We have the best of both. We were fortunate three years ago to find a 1994 360 Classic AS diesel pusher. This machine is the classic silver body of the AS. Yes, there are expenses in maintaining and storing her. Our first 'tune up' was a financial shock. Same with tire replacements. We don't have any slide outs, washer, dryer, dishwasher, house size refrigerator, etc. What we do have is a classic machine, with that big diesel push. It's in excellent condition, and we love traveling in her. We have our queen in the back, and can sleep two more adults, or four children, forward. I had a GMC Class A prior to this one, and believe me, it was a cheap machine that felt like a marshmallow going down the road. This AS beast is solid! We tow a Ford Fusion Hybrid behind, and are very satisfied with it. No, it isn't an SUV, but it's a pretty comfy car for four. I imagine a time will come when we no longer want the burden of a motor home, but until that time, I am so satisfied with what we have, and proud to have the AS quality and looks. We hope to be able to tour the entire country in it before we 'retire' from the camping life.
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I would enjoy adding my comments but I stopped after the woman bashing analogy. Enough already
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