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Old 03-30-2017, 02:06 PM   #15
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Cegardner,

Woman bashing???

I thought I missed a post and went back and reread them all.

What are you seeing that I'm missing.

PS many, but not all, Airstreams​ are referred to as she. That's from the correlation of many boats also being referred to as she. Was that it.
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Old 03-30-2017, 02:30 PM   #16
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looks like for the price of upgrading to a classA that you like , you could just buy a whole ' nother trailer .... for the friends to use!
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Old 03-30-2017, 02:44 PM   #17
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Don't let size matter!

I would not let yourself be swayed by the big size and space of the class A's. Here's why I bought an AS:
If your engine and drive train are a part of your RV your trapped when it comes to maintenance. Anything , even little thing, that needs to be repaired or maintained on that engine and drive train will cost you 2-3 times more than on say a Chevy pickup that can be serviced anywhere. I learned this lesson the hard way, I owned an 80 Ft houseboat, and it was very expensive to maintain. Had a lot of room but not worth it! I was very restricted on who would come work on it. You can't take your class A to the local auto repair for an oil change or water pump repair.

The AS is so well made in comparison to most other brands of RV's. The class A's under $400K are usually built pretty cheap on the interior. And you have to like rattles because you hear a lot of rattles as your driving down the road.

I can't tell you how many people have told me they sold their big class A for an AS , they always say, been there, done that.
Too many things always broke too costly to repair and too few places to have repairs made.

I bought a new AS 30' and a new GMC 2500 HD Denali Diesel crew can pickup for $150,000. You can't get that kind of quality and flexibility in a class A.

This is just how I view the decision, and it's not right for everyone. I can tell you I am the minority with AS when I pull into the RV Parks. Big with slides are what sells the most, but I'm into less size and MUCH more Quality.

I'm an engineer, so you can imagine how I'm wired. I like things to be well engineered, well thought out and built to last a lifetime.
The AS captured my attention as a kid. As an adult who loves cars I view the AS as an awesome designed and built vehicle. Almost like an airplane without wings.

I also love the fact that they catch the attention of so many people. With an AS you have a true American icon. It's reputation precedes it, it will always be a topic of conversation when you pull up with one on your bumper.

I bought mine first for all the above reasons and secondarily for all you can do with an RV.

When people ask me "why did you buy an Airstream", I never say because I wanted to go camping. I bought the Airstream because.......it's an Airstream.
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Old 03-30-2017, 05:03 PM   #18
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Cegardner,

Woman bashing???

I thought I missed a post and went back and reread them all.

What are you seeing that I'm missing.

PS many, but not all, Airstreams​ are referred to as she. That's from the correlation of many boats also being referred to as she. Was that it.
If indeed that was the offensive reference, I am also guilty. I refer to my Airstream, F350, BMW and boat as "she". It would be disrespectful to those fine machines to refer to them as "he"!
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Old 03-30-2017, 05:38 PM   #19
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We had a 2005 Classic 30 for over a year, did the SW caravan and last years International in it. Very happy with it.
We bought a 2003 AS Land Yacht 396 for the mid $60's and did a month in Main and just came back from 3 months in Florida.
Pluses: It's an Airstream and once you're inside it feels like one. It has tons of room both inside and basement storage. It has huge tanks, water, grey, black and a 150 gallon fuel tank. It has a 8KW quiet diesel generator in the front (It's a diesel pusher.) The roof is fiberglass not rubber and it's far easier to work on the roof than trying to just step on the rivets of a AS trailer. The water management is a dream. Everything is in one bay. No more getting on my knees to connect or anything else. Drains for hot and cold, fill valve to fill the water tank, sewer connections easy to reach, even a faucet to clean up with. For me it is easier to drive and back up into a site than the trailer. YMMV Hooking up the tow car is far easier than hooking a trailer. (for me) It's quiet uo front while driving because the engine is in the back. Air Horns are fun. Docking lights light up the area for night parking. Driving the high mileage tow car is cheaper than driving the low mileage truck once parker, easier to park too. Only have to change the oil once a year so even though it costs more it's actually about the same. It's fun to drive compared to towing. IMO. It comes with a ladder to get up on the roof. Increasing the solar would be easier because of the larger size. It has a mere 40W now. Increasing the battery capacity can be done because of the large battery bay. Once you learn the leveling it is far easier than a trailer. Cost for a good used one is very reasonable. We got 10MPG towing a Subaru Impreza WRX with it's emergency brake on for a 100 miles or so. Probably didn't take long to wear the break pads down till they weren't a factor. (It was time for new brakes anyway. -sigh-) That's all that comes to mind right now.

Negs: It's taller so you have to be more careful driving. More steps to climb to get into it. It's not aluminium. Bigger so it's harder to wash or will be if I ever do it. Rain has been doing a great job so far.

We started with a 1988 Class C for many years and I would not go back to a front engine RV. The doghouse is a pain to deal with and the noise plus it was gas and mileage was only 6MPG without towing anything.

We kept the Classic 30 for a couple months until we were sure what we wanted. We're happy with it. Sure there will be issues because it was a quarter million dollar MH when new and has a ton of bells and whistles that will need maintenance. But if you really want to go simple ride a bike and get a tent. Otherwise you get what you pay for.

Hope this helps.
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Old 03-30-2017, 09:13 PM   #20
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Unless you are a master mechanic, with all the work area,tools, etc. stay away from the motor home. Absolutely too much for someone who is not experienced. We have a beautiful 38 ' motor home sitting in its house. My husband has macular degeneration, therefore I drive a pickup pulling a 28 ' Airstream. It is not trouble free, but repair is so much more simple, The posts re: cost are explanatory to you in themselves. Good Luck.
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Old 03-30-2017, 10:30 PM   #21
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In our past we had a 40' Country Coach Motorhome with all the goodies. 400hp Cat with 1250 ft lbs or power.

I have to say there is nothing like traveling in a Motorhome. I really enjoyed driving that beast...looking out that big windshield sitting up high there was nothing like it. I never got tired of driving that thing.

We loved it but came to realize that unless you are retired and travel a lot the cost of insurance, maintenance, payments, and storage adds up fast.

Motorhomes need to be driven and used and we just couldn't go that much back then. Airstreams are different but we enjoy them...only trailer I would own. Much more user friendly and simple. My dad taught me the KISS solution to life...keep it simple stupid! My KISS soulution to RV's was buying my first Airstream...Now were on number 5 and all still smiling!
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Old 03-31-2017, 04:24 AM   #22
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I agree with everything Scott 59 posted above. I have owned 5 motorhomes over my camping career. The last 2 being 45' Prevost bus conversions. These things are a beast to maintain and the later models are nothing but computers on wheels. You have to take them to Florida to get fixed every time some little thing happens. It completely takes the fun out using them fearing something will go wrong when you do use it. Having said that I sold it a couple months ago and bought a 2016 30' Classic and a Ram 2500 with a Cummins diesel and I promise I will never look back. I so look forward to enjoying it without worrying about something breaking all the time.
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Old 03-31-2017, 08:24 AM   #23
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I agree with everything Scott 59 posted above. I have owned 5 motorhomes over my camping career. The last 2 being 45' Prevost bus conversions. These things are a beast to maintain and the later models are nothing but computers on wheels. You have to take them to Florida to get fixed every time some little thing happens. It completely takes the fun out using them fearing something will go wrong when you do use it. Having said that I sold it a couple months ago and bought a 2016 30' Classic and a Ram 2500 with a Cummins diesel and I promise I will never look back. I so look forward to enjoying it without worrying about something breaking all the time.

My guess exactly. There's no fun in thinking you don't want to get too far, or put too many miles out of fear of racking up miles and nearing the next service issue.
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Old 03-31-2017, 08:53 AM   #24
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After we sold our 2010 International 25FB, we were committed to buying either a short Class A, or a Mercedes Sprinter based Class C/B+. The set up and take down of our AS was putting a lot of wear and tear on my shoulder (old work related injuries) and we were looking to mitigate that.

We looked at 50 or more options over a few weeks that might fit our needs. Some were amazing, some were pathetic, and most had more shades of brown in the decor than exist in nature......

In the end, I told my wife about the new 26U floor plan. It checked off most of our livability gripes, allowed us to keep our truck, and we got to stay with a style, product, and most important, a community.

As to the set up and take down? Rather than moving every 5-7 days like we used to, we generally stay 2 weeks or more at locales now. We even did a month down on the Gulf of Mexico. I thought I'd be bored staying that long. Not....

So I'll leave with this-- do what's right for you and your family lifestyle. You may get a family friendly Class A for now. AS will always be there, whispering for you to come home.
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Old 03-31-2017, 10:22 AM   #25
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I must say, in defense of the DP, that mine was well built, I never had trouble with the slides, or suspension, electric step, or jacks.
I got 8.25 mpg towing a trailer.
Little things kill you. I always had service done at the local mega dealer. They ALWAYS tried to upsell me. "You need your roof resealed."
I once wanted new wiper blades and they quoted me $54 each! I went to my local auto supply and found the exact rubber blades for $10. Half an hour of swapping blades an I was done.
Driving it was a dream, great balance and steering was one finger.
You did have to get used to crowding the center line because it was wide. Driving through construction zones with Jersey barriers was scary sometimes, although I never scraped anything.
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Old 03-31-2017, 01:07 PM   #26
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Nope. Not at all. I considered it when I bought my first Airstream Trailer about 15 years ago. My neighbor and my brother had a class A. Fuel economy towing an Airstream is bad enough at 13 mpg but a class A is about half of that. Then when you look at depreciation, maintenance and the experience of driving one, no thanks. I decided on a towable Airstream and have never looked back. There is also the issue of reliability. Trailers are incredibly simple and there really is not that much difference between an Airstream made 50 years ago and a new one.

There is also the difference of camping style. We spend most of our time outside except for food preparation, bathroom usage and sleeping. The inside space afforded by a class A would be wasted on us. Just different strokes for different folks.

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Old 04-01-2017, 07:48 PM   #27
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Every RV has a use, and you aren't going to be happy if you are using the wrong one. Figure out how you will use your coach, then find one that best fits your needs. We love our Foretravel MH, but I listed it for sale last night. Why? When we bought it we figured that we would rarely stay in one spot for more than a month, and most of the time we would be moving every week or two. The reality is that we've spent 3-5 months at a time in one spot - several times. A DP needs to be driven, so the Foretravel is for sale and an Airstream in in our future.

Our Foretravel is completely self-contained in that it has a generator, 105 gallons of fresh water, 80 gallons (yes, gallons) of propane, etc. The ride is great, as is the view going down the road. Fuel economy, though, is not a strong point. With the Jeep in tow, we're about 57' long, which is what I expect we will be with a pickup and 34' Airstream.

That great view going down the road comes with a bit of a price, though. Several steps stand between the ground and the driver's seat. When Jo Ann was having her foot problems several years ago she had troubles getting into an Airstream, and this would have been impossible. Fortunately, surgery took care of the problem, if it it hadn't we couldn't have had this coach.

An Airstream has quite a few advantages, such as not being as tall as most other recreational vehicles, and a rounded, more streamlined shape. Those advantages are offset by a great lack of exterior storage space. Everything that is in the basement of our MH will have to ride in the bed of the pickup.

As I said at the start, don't start out deciding that you want a particular coach, or even a particular type of coach. Figure out your needs, and then buy accordingly.
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