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Old 09-08-2005, 06:15 PM   #15
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I like the pdf idea, and as far as hard copies are concerned, multiple volumes depending on body style are very cool.

Now. My 2¢:
1. Restoration is rarely done on the road, so an updatable pdf might be the ticket there. Is a hard copy really necessary, and if so, is there an iPhoto-like option? (Explanation re: iPhoto. Apple offers a hard bound photo album option. You send your digital photos and they print and bind them) This way we could have the info we each need printed to our specs.

As far as repairs go, on or off the road, there are service manuals available from 1972 on. As a matter of fact, the '72 manual works on my '71, and maybe a year or two previous? So a bound service manual for older models is an excellent idea. When your head is under the sink searching for a leak, a book is much easier to have at hand thatn a computer.
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Old 09-08-2005, 06:24 PM   #16
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How about an e-book

I have found a lot of info on this site also. However I agree, it can take a lot of time. Could a format be added to this forum. So each of us could submit specific information in the format that would be uniform to a "Living Book". The idea of a living book is that each person can download and print the section specific to their needs. New information can be continually added as forum members find new ways to solve a problem or as new models become avaible. I am a retired High School & College teacher who has taught art, year book, computer animation, and 3D graphic design. I would be willing to assist in such an undertaking.
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Old 09-08-2005, 06:40 PM   #17
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I have found a lot of info on this site also. However I agree, it can take a lot of time. Could a format be added to this forum. So each of us could submit specific information in the format that would be uniform to a "Living Book". The idea of a living book is that each person can download and print the section specific to their needs. New information can be continually added as forum members find new ways to solve a problem or as new models become avaible. I am a retired High School & College teacher who has taught art, year book, computer animation, and 3D graphic design. I would be willing to assist in such an undertaking.
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excellent idea!

i'll kick it around with the "mod squad" and see what they say.

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Old 09-08-2005, 06:47 PM   #18
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I like the idea of having the information better organized in some fashion. I generally prefer computer based data and would like a version that could be loaded onto an E-Book (since I happen to have one). I think it would be great to have an identified printing site that a person could send specific parts of the manual to and get them printed/bound if they want. It does seem to me that we would want a living version at least for a while until we can get all the kinks ironed out. I think it would be good to have different approaches for each topic where there is any controversy so the individual can make up their own minds which way they would like to proceed. Having some provision for people to send in comments about a given technique as they try them would be nice too. For example, as new materials become available someone might want to suggest them and have them added to the manual.

I would be willing to contribute to writing parts of the book in the areas where I have enough experience.

I would not mind buying a really good printed version or subscribing in some way to an electronic version.

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Old 09-08-2005, 06:52 PM   #19
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Figure Bob Livingston's book is one one end and the Airstream service manuals are on the other. Then you go to magazines like Trailer Life and special interest areas like Home Power Magazine. Then there are online projects like the SierraNevadaAirstreams Owners Guide
http://sierranevadaairstreams.org/owners-guide/
or JV's links
http://lakeshoreimages.com/rvlinks.html
or RV know How
http://www.rvknowhow.com/articles.html
or Rvers Corner
http://www.rverscorner.com/articles.html
or PTS
http://www.primotrailersales.com/tips_rv_trailer.shtml
or RV hotline Canada
http://www.rvhotlinecanada.com/news.asp
or even RV education
http://www.rveducation101.com/
and many others

Then there are the airstream sites like the vintage group and this forum.

There seems to be a significant challenge in providing just the collection of information a person is looking for in a style he likes to a depth that is appropriate. Trying to define the mission, purpose, and audience of yet another effort will be critical and nontrivial.

There are also the problems of defining that set of problems encountered by Airstreamers as distinct from that of other brands and that gets confused by motorhomes. Then there is the problem of that set of problems defined by the Airstreamer interest: restoration, repair, or maintenance; living or camping; show quality; back country or golf course resort living, - then you get into budget considerations.

One thing with a book, though, you are a bit distanced from the abuse you can get on forums when you offer something someone doesn't like. Amazing how many people take offense to informed suggestion at times.

update - second the wiki idea. that could be interesting.
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Old 09-08-2005, 07:19 PM   #20
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It might be interesting to have a section of the forum dedicated to pdf downloads.

A couple of years ago I posted a rather lenghty how-to on adding rock guards to a minuet I think it took about 10 sequential posts - because of message length limits/ I made an offer of a pdf - more than a dozen folks e-mailed me for the pdf.
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Old 09-08-2005, 09:00 PM   #21
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I like the idea

It could be organized, printable chapters, with F.A.Q.s.
(You could print it or not.)
Updatable, and with alternative methods and viewponts.
It sounds like a lot of work to even edit out my dribble.
( get Summerkid to proof read!!!)
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Old 09-08-2005, 11:43 PM   #22
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ahhhhhhhh, dave, my sweet, still carryin' that torch, are ya?
yes, i will volunteer to proofread (one word---are ya throwin me softballs?)

i normally get 100 bucks an hour (for editing, not just proofreading) but forum folk get the discount rate, which is 100 bucks off.
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Old 09-09-2005, 07:04 AM   #23
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Post Great idea lots of options with technology

Great idea Rodney and forum members! All the suggestions are wonderful. Updates and recall info could be offered on a website if that were to be feasible. The cd/book combination would be helpful too. The photo breakdown of major repairs, like off shell work, etc, would be really nice too. I guess figuring out the scope/scale of the work would be important so many good ideas to consider. Best wishes.
Summerkid--does this mean the editing reference book will be the Chicago Manual of Style-lol!!
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Old 09-09-2005, 07:38 AM   #24
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There are alot of generic RV repair books. I have four or five of them. An additional reference to cover the Airstream specific information would be helpful, including sources for parts. Picking one of the other RV books which is particularly complete and accurate and referenceing it (Joes RV page 100) would make the project managable. To redo the 100's of pages on Atwood heaters, Dometic Fridges, ect would be very time and paper consuming.

I would be pleased to participate.
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Old 09-09-2005, 12:34 PM   #25
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I think this is an AWESOME idea. We have been chit chatting in the moderator forum about starting some new teams to help write the monthly newsletter, other original content, etc. Bringing together, organizing and producing an e-book would be awesome.

With so many people all we need are good tools for collaboration and divide the work. Let me do some research into collaboration tools and I will post back here.
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Old 09-09-2005, 12:41 PM   #26
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Ok, last January I bought the name WallyWiki.org. I will setup the software over the weekend and we can start to collaborate there. I was meaning to set this up before but this is the perfect time to get this going.

This will be fun. If anyone is interested in helping please PM Janet or I.
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Old 09-09-2005, 04:28 PM   #27
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Hey Everyone,

Thanks for all the feedback. Since it appears that Andy and the moderators are making plans on this project I will withdraw from further persuing this project.
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Old 09-09-2005, 04:38 PM   #28
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Rodney, but hey! Look what you initiated. Karma to you
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