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Old 12-08-2002, 12:40 PM   #1
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An then came the flood

I just had a great 4-night WBCCI rally spoiled by having my trailer flooded. It appears to be another incidence of careless assembly.

I had left the plastic on the carpet in the galley area, plus having a rubber-backed mat in front of the sink. There is evidence that there has been a leak for some time, but it apparently took cold weather to make it completely let go. The plastic threads on the back of the water regulator were apparently gouged during assembly (see photo).

I had shown another couple the trailer at noon and there was no apparent problem. When I returned at about 3:30, the galley area was flooded. I cut away the plastic and borrowed a wet vac which removed somewhere near a quart of water from the carpet.

On reaching home, I removed about another pint with an extractor. Right now, I have an infrared heat lamp on the area plus two cermaic heaters running in the trailer.

Notice the gouge in the threads in the photo below. That almost certainly was made by the bronze fitting being jammed against the plastic.
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Old 12-08-2002, 01:54 PM   #2
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Sorry to hear about your leak, John.
Do you have padding under the carpet? If you do and it is foam padding, it will take forever to dry out.
The good thing is that you caught it right away.
Sounds like a warranty issue.

Your situation is a good example why:
1. I never travel with the waterpump on
2. I never leave the pump on when not needed.
3. I always shut off the campground water supply, when I leave for some time.
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Old 12-08-2002, 05:26 PM   #3
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Likewise my condolence John.
Are we talking about the water pressure regulator? If so does that mean you were on "city" water? How hard was it gushing when you found it? And was it spread all over the coach? Man I hope not!

Best of luck with the clean-up. No rest for the weary sometimes.

BTW was the rally over at Zavalla by chance? Seems I remember you were gonna teach a puter course or some such. Would enjoy details at your convenience.
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Old 12-08-2002, 06:46 PM   #4
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The flood

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The rally was at Buchanan Lake, about 80 miles from Austin. The computer rally at Zavalla is in late February.

Just the galley area of the carpet got wet. It was the threads on the back of the city water input which has an integral pressure regulator. It never apparently squirted, just seepage, but I had been there 3 days. I would have noticed it right away if I hadn't left the plastic on the galley carpet. It had to get wet enough for me to see it on the plastic before I knew there was a problem.

In a few minutes, I am going out to unscrew the rear dinette seat since it appears to be a bit wet under there. I now have two heat lamps working and they seem to be making progress.

I'll also call the dealer in the morning and see what can be done. I think it is A/S responsibility to dry it out as well as fix the leak.

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I fully agree with the first two items, but I don't turn the city water off for a 3-hour absence. In this case, the site valve was buried in insulation and a chore to even get turned on in the first place. If I leave for the day, then I do ordinarily turn off the water at the site tap.

Actually, in this instance, the seepage was going on all the time I was in the trailer, so turning the tap off wouldn't have helped much.
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Old 12-08-2002, 07:08 PM   #5
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John,

Sorry to hear of your problem, but I'm sure you'll have it back in shape in no time .

I only turn my water off when I'm going to gone over night. Other than that, it's always on. It would be a drag to have to shut off your water every time you drove-off or took a walk. Airstreams are built to leave the water on and when we have a leak, we fit it just like at home.

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Old 12-08-2002, 07:22 PM   #6
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Talk about not noticing your water leak, 3 weeks ago I noticed that the carpeting on the right side of the base of my toilet was damp. I was bending over to pick up something and I put my hand down for balance and thats when I felt the dampness in the carpet.
You see, my right leg is numb and when I'm using the toilet, I didn't/couldn't feel the dampness under my foot. But after noticing this, I step on that area with my left foot and immediately felt the dampness. The guy who replaced my toilet said that it was leaking for some time.
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john

sorry to hear about the leak, sounds like you have it under control.

your heaters are a good idea, in addition a window fan may help speed up the drying process.

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Old 12-08-2002, 08:27 PM   #8
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Thanks for the good wishes. I'm running a Fantastic Fan plus the two heat lamps. Unfortunately, it's raining and has been all day, so the humidity is terrible.

I can still get a wet knee if I kneel in one area. Must be from the foam pad, since the carpet in that area otherwise feels pretty good. That area is right where the overlap between two pieces of the threaded plastic apparently dumped the majority of the water.

Here's another look at the area. You can see the notch in the plastic. The insulation around the regulator was wet, apparently from a fine spray from the bad connection. There was a nail about 3" away where the plastic was nailed down through a plastic washer, making a little basin. That was full of water and led me to the problem area.

The only way to get to this area under the bathroom is through an about 10" square opening behind the dinette back. If you can see it, you can't touch it. If you can touch it, you can't see it.
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Dang John... sure sorry to hear about that.

As the victim of two maybe 1" deep basement floods over the years, I'd definitely take this back to the factory and turn it over to the insurance.

Both times they ripped out all the carpet because there was no way to get it dry quickly enough before the mold started growing. They also removed the lower part of the drywall in my basement. Both the drywall and insulation had wicked the water well up in the wall and you wouldn't believe the amount of mold growing inside them so soon. They did a thorough job cleaning the studs and floor and treating them before going back in with new insulation, drywall, and carpeting.
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Good ideas

Thanks, Maurice, I hadn't thought about the insurance. I'll contact them tomorrow to establish the potential loss if A/S doesn't come through.

So far, no smell of mold. The heat lamps seem to be drying it out pretty well, the part I can get to. What bothers me is the part under the bathroom that is also carpeted. I can move the dinette seat (and will in the morning), but I can't move that bathroom and I can't reach most of it.

The dealer will hear from me in the morning.
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Unfortunately, it's raining and has been all day, so the humidity is terrible

run your ac, it might get more moisture out of the air in the trailer. if it's too cold just run the fan. keep the air moving!

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Another good thought

I hadn't thought about the AC. I'll turn it on now.

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Hi Pahaska,

I just bought a Kenmore wahing machine a couple of months ago. It spewed water the first time we tried it. Turns out somebody pinched a hole in the fill hose. I fixed it myself. We are so far away from maintenance services. I know it is a pain, but get in their face if you are close to a dealer. Otherwise just fix it yourself. Sometimes it is easier. But I will sure think twice about another Kenmore.

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Old 12-09-2002, 08:23 AM   #14
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Bummer!

Had the same thing happen to me a month or so ago in Arkansas, but my unit is almost 25 years old. I found out "THERE IS A DIFFERENCE" between Pex, Quest, and whatever that grey pipe they used in mine originally. A dissimilar coupling in the rear wardrobe had popped apart and luckily I was inside making my morning cup of java when it blew. Good thing I hadn't sealed incoming water line penetration as well for most of the water drained back out through it. I guess my next big project is to replace all my plumbing, would like to use copper and want to sweat it all together, any thoughts???

It was cold as well so maybe that was the trigger?
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