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Old 07-09-2010, 02:22 PM   #15
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You talked to two issues:

Rain Days:
Granted, an extended bought of bad weather can be a bit tough - the 1st couple of days are generally OK but after that things can become a bit of a challenge. After 40 years of outdoor vacations from pup tents through pop-ups and now a 19' Bambi we can definitively tell you that "size doesn't matter" (bad joke I know) - if you are having trouble in a 31 footer then a bigger 5th wheel isn't going to solve your cabin fever - time to get a bit creative. Don't allow yourself to be a "fair weather camper" - some of the best memories can grow from some of the worst weather.
Resale Value:
Airstreams do hold their value better than SOB's - but not in the first years. Kinda like vintage wine - they have to age a bit before their enduring value becomes apparent. With some genuine TLC they age a heck of a lot better than other trailers - and - over time - will treat you much better than the others when it comes time to trade or move on. But you do need to be aware that the shorter Airstreams have a bigger market over a longer period of time than the long ones.
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Old 07-09-2010, 03:00 PM   #16
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1st I will state I traded my 08 28' safari Se about 4 months ago and got 40,000. it was less than 1 year old and used 4 times. So yes you are going to lose money, now on to the SOB I bought, I admit it was 76,000 but it has a complete aluminum frame, a full 3" thick wall with insulation, marine grade plywood for roof and flooring, solid wood cabinets, crown moldings, and trim. glass panels in interior doors, corian counters in kitchen and bath, two AC units with ducted air, 18 c.f whirlpool refrig. 40" lcd tv in livingroom and 20" in bedroom, king size bed that I can actually walk around, washer dryer, 50amp service, 4 slides seperate livingroom and diningroom and full body paint. and a fireplace, remote control for landing gear, slideouts, level up system, awning and lights. tows no better or worse than my AS my MPG has remained the same and I can spend many a day in it when it rains, so can we please stop saying SOB's are not of equal quality.
I don't buy that, unless you new one is a wide 12 footer with a motor.
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Old 07-09-2010, 04:46 PM   #17
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bob snagged a cedar creek 5th wheel.

these are very very nice and have ALL the features reported.

u can read about his here...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f468...ums-63381.html

it's no where near as svelte as a stream...

and i still believe the fatdog 34 i drag will tow better at 75-80 mph...

and it's not shaped like an expanded beer can...

but they are good units.

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Old 07-09-2010, 05:07 PM   #18
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bob snagged a cedar creek 5th wheel.

these are very very nice and have ALL the features reported.

u can read about his here...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f468...ums-63381.html

it's no where near as svelte as a stream...

and i still believe the fatdog 34 i drag will tow better at 75-80 mph...

and it's not shaped like an expanded beer can...

but they are good units.

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thanks for at least admitting that there is life after AS. To be honest at 75 mph I find myself forgetting about it. the only time I notice is over bridges (and under bridges) it has a dexter e-z flex axle system which really absorbs the bumps well, better than my truck. I have recently been speaking to other campers and when I mention that I had an AS they are surprised that I talk to them, as the opinion most of the common SOB owners felt that AS owners were too good to talk to them. I try to tell them that under all that aluminum there still beats the heart of a camper, some believe me and some don't. And I agree about the expanded beer can but I always referred to mine as an aluminum suppository.
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Old 07-10-2010, 01:13 AM   #19
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Bob,
So now you bought an SOB, and have exactly what you want, and you are happy, and it tows great, and you have no loss of fuel mileage in your truck. You can sit by the fireplace and watch your 42" television. That's wonderful!
I guess in hind site you are still maybe a little bitter and kicking yourself for not knowing what you wanted in a trailer to begin with, or what style of camping was right for you. That is probably why you keep talking up the SOB you purchased. It sort of makes up for the big mistake of "the aluminum suppository".
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Old 07-10-2010, 01:19 AM   #20
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Over the years we have traveled by backpacking, camper vans, and to our Airstream. My sense is that as we get bigger, more cumbersome gear, we lose some of the adventure that we left home for. It is fun to improvise, rough it a bit, and make do, and to take the roads less traveled. That's where the memories are.

If you need all the comforts of home, why leave?
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Old 07-10-2010, 06:03 AM   #21
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Bob,
So now you bought an SOB, and have exactly what you want, and you are happy, and it tows great, and you have no loss of fuel mileage in your truck. You can sit by the fireplace and watch your 42" television. That's wonderful!
I guess in hind site you are still maybe a little bitter and kicking yourself for not knowing what you wanted in a trailer to begin with, or what style of camping was right for you. That is probably why you keep talking up the SOB you purchased. It sort of makes up for the big mistake of "the aluminum suppository".
no! we loved the AS but we spend a lot of time in the trailer, being old and all, and the AS was just too cramped. I did not feel we made a mistake as it was what we wanted at the time, I have made more costly decisions than buying an AS and do not mind the trade value, I also will not kick myself if in the future we decide on a 34' AS and our 5th wheel trade is next to nothing. as far as talking up the SOB, it is usually a gut reaction to the "elite" status some of the AS owners have given themselves. An AS , SOB, Avion or any other brand is just a trailer and should not be used to define someone, unless you are making up for some other short coming. I originally was going to leave the forums as I no longer had a reason to be here, but someone said stay and post how I liked the "other Brand" so I did, I have also answered questions new AS owners have asked, but rather than stick around to "talk up " my SOB I think I will say goodbye and good luck to all.
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Old 07-10-2010, 09:12 AM   #22
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I think we've got a metrics problem here.

Amenities and features are an entirely different thing than longevity. Size of RV is separate from these as well.

Choosing a MoHo or a 5th wheel or a TT or a Class B or C is a lifestyle choice. The value there is personal.

What that RV will sell for in twenty or more years is not a personal matter but something entirely different.

Confusing the two doesn't help the conversation, I think.
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Old 07-10-2010, 02:45 PM   #23
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Agree Bryan, it's a lifestyle choice. All opinions have merit, but talking up the amenities of a fiver on this forum is falling on mostly deaf ears.

There may be a benefit to all concerned though. If someone dislikes their Airstream, here's an opportunity to sell to one of us at a fair price, and go deal on a fiver with cash. The seller may have posted a history on this forum of the issues he experienced, giving us some insight into his trailer condition.

There are plenty here who would love that 27' Airstream.
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Old 07-10-2010, 04:10 PM   #24
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I'll tell everyone who intends to keep their Airstream that valuation affects you whether you keep it or intend to sell it. I just found this out when a tree fell on my 2006 Safari SE. I paid a little over $44,000 for the trailer brand new. When the tree fell on the trailer, it turns out that the insurance company came very close to "totaling" the trailer and giving me only $23,000. Who wants to buy a trailer for $44,000, use it four years, "wreck it", and get so little? Well, that the problem with these things. You pay for insurance, thinking you're protecting your risk of loss. After a unit like mine is totaled and they hand you $23,000, you don't have enough to buy a comparable used unit in my opinion. And let me add, my insurance company is a big one, USAA in San Antonio, not some shyster outfit. Bottom line: when you buy an Airstream, you are forced to self insure to a material degree.

At the end of the day, my situation was such that I got over $16,000 to repair the unit. But just a little more damage and they would have insisted on giving me $23,000 and I'd of had to transfer title.
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...Bottom line: when you buy an Airstream, you are forced to self insure to a material degree...
not exactly,

although setting a HIGH deductible to lower premiums

is a good way to self insure with a defined risk.

for insurance on NEW units (and many vehicles) the bottom line is...

UNDERSTAND THE POLICY u pay 4.
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it's easy and not all that expensive to purchase TOTAL REPLACEMENT COVERAGE on new streams...

it's important to READ THESE RIDERS and BE SURE that's what u r buying...

don't trust the agent for details...

the term "full coverage" is about covering ALL the basics (comp/collision/medical/uninsured motorist, contents)...

full coverage doesn't mean EACH of those items is covered to the ideal AMOUNT

(for example liability/medical may be WAY TOO LOW with many "full coverage" policies)

and 'full coverage' does NOT equal 'purchase price/replacement coverage'...
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i am in the 5th/6th year of total replacement coverage on an 05.

should it be totaled the policy provides REPLACEMENT with a similar/identical NEW unit.

after the 6th year the coverage switches to "my original purchase price"...

which is STILL a very very healthy fixed figure...

so book/trade/salvage/used/lowballin' prices have nothing to do with this coverage.

rv insurance is closer to HOME OWNERS coverage than it is to auto insurance...

it pays to understand what u are buying (stream or insurance) and how it will function (stream or insurance)

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2air makes a good point. When you buy new there are a myriad of policies and coverage out there. My trailer also had total replacement coverage for the first 5 years of its life. It hit year six and we are now into the next 5 year cycle where if totaled, I'd get back my original cost of the trailer. Insurance runs $57 a month for that level of coverage.

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We bought our 23' 2 years old, barely used, for 1/2 the price the original owner paid, that means he took a 25K hit to own the coach for 2 years. I thought everyone knew that when you buy new, you buy for the LONG term...
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QUOTE=2airishuman;870114]not exactly,

although setting a HIGH deductible to lower premiums

is a good way to self insure with a defined risk.

for insurance on NEW units (and many vehicles) the bottom line is...

UNDERSTAND THE POLICY u pay 4.
__________

it's easy and not all that expensive to purchase TOTAL REPLACEMENT COVERAGE on new streams...

it's important to READ THESE RIDERS and BE SURE that's what u r buying...

don't trust the agent for details...

the term "full coverage" is about covering ALL the basics (comp/collision/medical/uninsured motorist, contents)...

full coverage doesn't mean EACH of those items is covered to the ideal AMOUNT

(for example liability/medical may be WAY TOO LOW with many "full coverage" policies)

and 'full coverage' does NOT equal 'purchase price/replacement coverage'...
__________

i am in the 5th/6th year of total replacement coverage on an 05.

should it be totaled the policy provides REPLACEMENT with a similar/identical NEW unit.

after the 6th year the coverage switches to "my original purchase price"...

which is STILL a very very healthy fixed figure...

so book/trade/salvage/used/lowballin' prices have nothing to do with this coverage.

rv insurance is closer to HOME OWNERS coverage than it is to auto insurance...

it pays to understand what u are buying (stream or insurance) and how it will function (stream or insurance)

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