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Old 06-15-2011, 04:53 PM   #71
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I wish I knew the differences. I think heavier duty axles are one difference; electrical may be another. Canadian law requires propane tanks to be inspected more frequently (10 years vs. 12), but I don't think that would affect initial production. If interested, a call to Airstream would provide answers and prices.

Because these are not produced in massive quantities, they can be built individually. From time to time they produce a group of European models and it is interesting to see the differences if you happen to take the factory tour then. European models have hot water heat, thicker windows, hand powered jack, wheel(s) under the tongue so you can turn them around manually—that's good for parking in tight spaces. They are smaller (narrower) and lighter, possibly shorter. It would be hard to tell a Canadian one on the line. If they were built by the 100 thousands instead of the hundreds, it would be cheaper to make them all the same—like many engines have to conform to California pollution standards.

Because of the way they are produced, it looks to me that it is hard to enforce standard procedures. There is relatively little automation. Automation increases precision. I have not seen anyone checking that things are done right; maybe I just didn't see them. A commitment to high quality work is hard to see on the tour, but workers seem to be pretty much on their own. But a tour is just that and not an inspection of procedures and attitudes. My impression is that they were making trailers pretty much the way they did 40 years ago. Attitude and skill may have changed, however.

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Old 06-15-2011, 05:22 PM   #72
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Link to specification for Euro Airstreams

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Old 06-15-2011, 05:38 PM   #73
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OK, you got me on that one. Not sure what that means.

Radiant floor heat, maybe?
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Old 06-15-2011, 07:44 PM   #76
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Interesting! I looked at what it would take to run a 2 foot wide strip of radiant floor from the edge of the bed to the edge of the sofa in my Excella. Maybe a little peninsula into the bath. Sounds like a good idea to me.
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Interesting! I looked at what it would take to run a 2 foot wide strip of radiant floor from the edge of the bed to the edge of the sofa in my Excella. Maybe a little peninsula into the bath. Sounds like a good idea to me.
Yes interesting indeed....not sure what wet means, it is Europe after all.
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Interesting thread. I'm in Canada and special ordered our 2008 Bambi. One of the differences are my disc brakes, they are bigger.

All in all we are pleased with our Bambi. Initial repairs behind us, and several trips issue free.
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It's the intelligent, reasoned, evidence-based posts like CrawfordGene's that keep me interested in this forum. Those relatively new to the forum may not know that the Airstreams sold here in Europe are of far higher specification than those sold in the USA. For example, they have galvanized frames and a 48 mm thick honeycomb sandwich non-absorbent floor, thereby eliminating the main causes of serious long-term deterioration in USA Airstreams. I have asked Airstream why the USA trailers are not similarly produced. I could not understand the reply. I believe the true answer lies in CrawfordGene's posts.
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Proportionally, Airstreams are significantly more expensive in Europe than they are in the US so the specification can be higher. Sure, the market in Europe can stand the higher price, but that's the difference, I'm sure. The same goes for cars. Having recently arrived in North America I was shocked by the build quality and specifications of the cars made here, especially with similar cars; for example, the Ford Focus in the US looks very poor next to its European cousin. But cars in North America are so much cheaper to buy, and there's the rub. I don't think the American markets would stand European prices, even if the build quality was better. That thinking, I'd suggest, extends to RV manufacture as well.
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OK, you got me on that one. Not sure what that means.

Radiant floor heat, maybe?
Similar to the majority of houses in Europe - known as "Radiators".
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Yes interesting indeed....not sure what wet means, it is Europe after all.
It looks like it is a small boiler with water tubing like It has a glycol protected solution. I wonder if it has to be pumped or if its a natural circulation?
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Y'all are putting the cart before the horse if you are starting to think you like the European airstreams. They have to be smaller and lighter, and they have no choice in the matter.

Back up a minute and ask yourself.....what have they got to tow it with?

Yeah. A wimpy little sewing machine motor of a car. Seen many F-250s in Europe?No? Dodge Rams? Chevy 2500 4x4's? You know, that stuff Americans like to drive?

I'll happily stick with US standards, thanks.
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Wow - at the factory I never saw the assembly line for the Canadian models - do they have a maple leaf to designate them so they are built better?

Craziest thing I ever heard - I think the only difference between the two is some protection added to the lp gas line...

I am saying this tongue in cheek - but I do feel pretty confident that all North American Airstreams are generally built the same...
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