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Old 06-28-2012, 11:01 PM   #407
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Mojave - you certainly have (speaking for my wife and me) our support. It is unfortunate that in our free-market economy the bottom line is still the bottom line: profit or perish. It is the odd enterprise that can sustain a long term loss and still be viable ... without an outside influx of $$$. It is also unfortunate that you folks had issues that could have been easily resolved -but, were NOT.

We all have expectations when we buy a new product ... sometime those expectations are realized and sometimes they are drowned by companies without the leadership to simply do what is right. Hopefully - as was mentioned previously - the 400+ posts will not fall on deaf ears / eyes by the AS admin. We still really enjoy our FC20 ... even though we joined this forum and read about the problems several years ago, we still paid the big bucks to buy our dream. For us it is worth the HUGE expenditure - for others an SOB or used AS will float their boat. The bottom question for many is would ... OR ... should we do it again. That is the question that AS admin needs to address in their marketing mix.
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:21 PM   #408
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Mefly, If we ever decide to get another one I'm going to see Frank or TT. I like ours and we have not had many problems but the more I look at I keep visualizing what could have been. Am I being to critical? Probably so. We're leaving on a 3 week loop trip late next week and I hope it grows on me and I know it will. I hope the good times cement the relationship.

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Old 06-29-2012, 01:25 AM   #409
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Good-bye mojave. I like your mantra - less being more.

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Old 06-29-2012, 11:26 AM   #410
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I have followed this thread from the beginning and was thinking, as I polished on our 73 Overlander this morning before going to work, how much they have changed over the years. I could see myself in the aluminum as I polished, not a good thing, and was noticing how thick the aluminum was compared to newer models. I haven,t been in a lot of RVs but I was in a 2008 Safari last week and it looked a lot like SOBs that I have been in. As far a quality our Overlander just has one leak, more like a drip, and a little surface rot at the entry door, probably due to a dried out door seal, and it is as straight a an arrow. It is not perfect, and probably never was, but it has huge character! I am proud to tow it and show it off at RV parks, but I have met owners of newer Airstreams that share that same pride. I first started wanting an AS in 1972 when they were the best - hands down. I kept everything as original as possible and have decorated it retro out of respect and likely to relive that era - not easy while polishing because I don't look the same. I think we all want that back and are upset that it was taken away, and possibly should be, but many changes in America have been for the better while some have not.
I love our Airstream and was looking at the Airstream website and the new ones look great. I have owned and run a business and have a little understanding of business and hope AS finds a way to earn a profit and still make a quality product, but I think all of us would be hurt if they were no longer built. All of us are living a dream through our Airstreams, probably more than the American dream of owing a home, and that is personal, not just "business".
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:33 PM   #412
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When you read the history of Airstream, the Beatrice years (roughly the '70's) are looked at as the low point in quality. What will the history written in 50 years say were the low points?

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Old 06-30-2012, 02:08 PM   #413
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When you read the history of Airstream, the Beatrice years (roughly the '70's) are looked at as the low point in quality. What will the history written in 50 years say were the low points?

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Doesn't matter, these are the Glory Days so make the best of it. The easy-to-get fuel is almost gone (don't be fooled, there is no political solution) and with it the days of pulling little houses about the countryside for fun.

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We are going to be buying another, larger AS in the future. I don't know if it will be 2 years or 5, but I do know we will want a 30 footer when we go full time. For me, the question is very simple: Do I want that next one to be worse, the same or better than the one we have now? Of course, I want it to be better. Why on earth wouldn't I?

I can be passive or active in life. The current push in society is called "psychological conformity." It is in a nutshell, the demand to join the hive, don't make waves, accept what is offered and shut the hell up and pretend to be happy. I think that is pure bunkum. I want to be a part of raising the bar for the products I buy in the future. I want cleaner air, purer water, more nutritious food and leakproof travel trailers. Sitting by like a lump on a log proclaiming that I will be happy with whatever is available is not an option to me.

This newest brainwashing program of "psychological conformity" is soul deadening. I don't want any part of it.
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:26 PM   #415
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redwood guy says

"This newest brainwashing program of "psychological conformity" is soul deadening. I don't want any part of it."

If all you do is join the bitch threads and chime in you already are part of it. That's certainly not my path and let me tell you I am not in step with this parade.

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I totally agree, most of the threads turn in to bitch sessions, misery loves company. Jim
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redwood guy says

"This newest brainwashing program of "psychological conformity" is soul deadening. I don't want any part of it."

If all you do is join the bitch threads and chime in you already are part of it. That's certainly not my path and let me tell you I am not in step with this parade.

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Actually, no. That's not at all what I plan to do. And I have already demonstrated that fact. If there be a parade passing by, it is the long stream of those who settle for whatever is on the plate, and then insist on trying to kill off any dissent. "Stop complaining and eat your gruel!"

So to be clear, even IF all that anyone did was "bitch" - even if that was the extent of their displeasure, to simply complain - that act of dissent by itself is far superior to the psychological conformity of accepting what others decide you will accept.

I salute the bitchers and complainers. Hats off to you all! They have the discernment to know right from wrong, good from bad, fair from foul. They are probably people who upon receiving a $45 steak that is shoe-leather tough, call the waiter over and send it back to the chef. Good for them!

I can hear this argument everywhere today. When a guy goes in for a left foot amputation, and they remove his right foot, he would be "bitching and complaining and totally negative" to insist on compensation, right? When you buy a new suit and all the lining falls out the first time you have it cleaned, I bet you are regarded too as a "bitcher and complainer and negative person" if you make noise to insist the suits should be made better, right?

I want my next trailer to be leak proof and rot proof. I want a better warranty. I want a lot of things that are not in today's product. I want excellence, and nothing less! And, I recognize that I can contribute to the process of getting what I want. Notice that I don't come and try to scold people who are just enjoying what they have. Only those who are trying to scold ME for not being satisfied, for not settling for mediocrity. What ax are you trying to grind here? What makes you believe you should stop people who want excellence? What sort of millstone are you trying to become around the process of making better travel trailers? What's in it for you to keep pushing your stick into the spokes of progress? Huh?

"Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but we rather have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit."
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I totally agree, most of the threads turn in to bitch sessions, misery loves company. Jim
And after hundreds of posts - you're still here enjoying the company! Speaks volumes, doesn't it.
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no no no, thats bass akwards....the company loves misery.

If surfacing problem's bother 'ya find another "happy" thread.

I'm a clear conscious bitch'n happy Stream'r.

Sorry if that strokes you the rong way.

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