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Old 08-31-2004, 11:50 AM   #15
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...In reading the specs. I kept thinking, there's something that I'm missing here.
I think the only thing you are missing is the marketing aspect. The eight grand figure was probably determined over cocktails at some Group Training excersize. In my line of work, it would be called a brown number.

Most people are taking out a loan to purchase their new Airstream. Although I'm too lazy to do the numbers, that $8000 probably only adds $10 to the monthly loan payment. The prospective buyer, overwhelmed at his chance to own an American classic, is thinking for only ten bucks more...

That's just my opinion,
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Old 08-31-2004, 01:27 PM   #16
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insulation myths or fact

I wish there were one definitive answer from THE source. I am somewhat bummed. I have shopped two dealers one for the 2003 and another for the 2005. Both have told me that there are differences in the insulation, that the Safaris have better insulation then the CCDs and that the Classic has upgraded insulation over the Safaris. That held a lot of sway with both our decisions. It just doesn't sit well with me now. It either is or it isn't and it shouldn't be advertised falsely to help clinch the deal.


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I spoke with Airstream Sales Dept. yesterday about the insulation in the Classics and Limiteds. This is what I was told; There is NO difference in the insulation in ANY of the Airstreams. The exact same insulation is used in all models .ALL models. The ONLY difference is in the slide out section of the coach. Here I was told they use the bubble-foil faced insulation. So I asked. " So this is a myth about upgraded R value insulation used in the Classics and Limiteds?" I was told yes a "big myth". I was told that you could request the bubble-foil insulation to be installed everywhere in the coach at substantial increase in cost but it is not done as amatter of course. Vicki also said something about she didn't know why they were telling people that on the production line. I've heard it so many times on the forum that the Classics and Limiteds have higher R-value insulation that I called to pin down the answer as I am interested in a 34 Classic sometime in my future. So, who has the correct answer? I can only relate what I was told. If the factory is telling new owners the there is an upgrade in insulation, when there isn't, I think they should clear this up.
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Old 08-31-2004, 01:51 PM   #17
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I wish there were one definitive answer from THE source. I am somewhat bummed. I have shopped two dealers one for the 2003 and another for the 2005. Both have told me that there are differences in the insulation, that the Safaris have better insulation then the CCDs and that the Classic has upgraded insulation over the Safaris. That held a lot of sway with both our decisions. It just doesn't sit well with me now. It either is or it isn't and it shouldn't be advertised falsely to help clinch the deal.
As noted earlier on my plant visit, I was told the insulation used in the Safaris and the Classics are identical. They also talked about the foil back insulation used on the slide outs and the supposed higher R-value insulation on the Limiteds. Note this was summer of 2001 and the 2002 units were in production at the time. Things change over the years and to be honest with you its hard to get the definitive word even when you call direct.

When I called Jackson Center in the spring of 2001 I was told that I could pick up my Safari there and that the prep would be done by the Jackson Center service folks. I told this to my dealer and he said no that wasn't available. I told him that customer service was saying yes. I eventually got a letter from the sales director up at Jackson Center who told me that the direct delivery option had ended and that the customer support person I talked to was misinformed.

So who knows? Maybe the tour guide was speaking from past history (and he has a lot!) and nobody has corrected him regarding current practices at this point? Needless to say we need to get this insulation question up to a higher level of the Airstream food chain to get the definitive answer. If everyone except slide out components gets the same insulation pack today (2005), has this always been the case or has their been a model differentiation, limited, classic, safari, ccd, in the past years?

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Old 08-31-2004, 03:18 PM   #18
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I, too, took a factory tour awhile back (one of several during the past several years) where Don Ambos pointed out the superior R-Value insulation being put into the Limited series. At that time, they may have been putting this insulation in the slide portion only, but that's not what Ambos said.

Airstream really needs to do a better job training their dealers about product specs, and in my opinion they should also require dealers' service people to attend factory service training (if not already required).

Oh, and I forgot to mention that our Limited series has electric leveler/stabilizer jacks that are rather nice. The brochure from the manufacturer says they are for leveling, but they don't say how much weight they can support; I suspect that they are for stabilizing only though.

I would think that the Limited options add no more than $1,000 - $1,500 to the total value. It would be nice if Airstream would let a customer pick and choose among these various items.

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Limited Package
Burgundy Tape - Exterior
Classic Medallion Burgundy 10" (3)
"ltd" Lettering (3)
Gold Accent Lettering-exterior
Hickory Wood
Electric Stabilizer Jacks
Acrylic Entrance Door Handle "limited"
Flag Storage Box
Brass Lavy/shower Hardware
Burgundy Wide Body Zip Dee Chairs
Hardwood Tops
40 Lb Lp Bottles & Cover
Pure Touch Faucet
Jackets And Caps (2 Ea)
Sofa Pillows (2) Decorative, (1) Accent
Bedroom Pillows (2) Decorative,
Throws (1) Bedroom (1) Sofa

I believe the above to be correct....
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Limited Package
Burgundy Tape - Exterior
Classic Medallion Burgundy 10" (3)
"ltd" Lettering (3)
Gold Accent Lettering-exterior
Hickory Wood
Electric Stabilizer Jacks
Acrylic Entrance Door Handle "limited"
Flag Storage Box
Brass Lavy/shower Hardware
Burgundy Wide Body Zip Dee Chairs
Hardwood Tops
40 Lb Lp Bottles & Cover
Pure Touch Faucet
Jackets And Caps (2 Ea)
Sofa Pillows (2) Decorative, (1) Accent
Bedroom Pillows (2) Decorative,
Throws (1) Bedroom (1) Sofa

I believe the above to correct....
Jim - (It is Jim, isn't it?)

The specs for my 2004 also say "BRASS lavatory/shower hardware".

My shower head is a brass colored plastic, and the (Moen) shower/faucet on/off control and backplate is chrome colored/plated metal of some sort.

The combination of chrome and brass together in the shower looks tacky at best, and if I got the intended hardware, then Airstream is not advertising truthfully.

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Oh, and I forgot to mention that our Limited series has electric leveler/stabilizer jacks that are rather nice. The brochure from the manufacturer says they are for leveling, but they don't say how much weight they can support; I suspect that they are for stabilizing only though.
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John unknown to me until delivery time, the Classic slide outs come standard with the electric stabilizer jacks. They are no different than the crank downs which means no weight support. I bring them down until I hear the motor change pitch. That means I have hit resistance and that is where I should stop.

The only negative I have is that the curb and streetside switches are next to each other on the streetside. That means if you are lowering your stabilizer jack down on the curb side, you need to get your head down below the trailer on the street side to observe the curb side foot come down. Obviously if you go by sound only you don't need to watch since you will hear when that foot hits the ground. I use a plastic Lynx Leveler block under each foot so that means watching to make sure the foot contacts the block square on.

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