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Old 11-07-2019, 10:07 AM   #21
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Not meaning to denigrate anyone; don't be so sensitive...everyone has a preference, right?...To us, the larger cabinets in the International are indeed a couple inches deeper but we believe the sliding doors are an obstacle to getting items in/out; the access in the lift covers of the FC and also in the new Globtrotter models, offers much easier access; never had a problem with anything "falling out" during travel...4 Airstreams with this type cupboards over 13 years.... Also, as ; I mentioned, the FC model in the 28' has 2 more cabinets above the dinette the International does not have...storage is everything in these.

If your going to spend more money for décor and want/need more storage, look at the 30 Classic! That couch, the extra storage, kitchen, and finish is awesome....
It isn't a question of being sensitive - I must object when an owner of any other AS model says that thousands of people have "wasted money" by purchasing the International trim level which they wanted. As you have acknowledged it is personal preference; however there are also benefits to be gained from upgrading to an International model.

Storage is not 'everything' in an Airstream. I prefer to have the additional light from the Vistaview windows over extra overhead lockers. IMHO the lockers, while good for storage, if needed, make the space darker and not as open feeling as the International with more light.
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Old 11-07-2019, 10:18 AM   #22
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Pick the decor you like. Other than the obvious length difference, the biggest difference is which side you want the dinette/windows on. We like our 28 with the big windows campsite.
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Old 11-08-2019, 06:56 AM   #23
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This is where folks will have to agree to disagree

For some the International offers the absolute best options for others it’s the Flying Cloud and for other Globetrotter or Classic.

No wrong choice - you just need to figure out what’s best for you. When someone says this is bad or great - it’s for them.

And for us it was the International layouts and decor.
yea, your right...likely will upgrade to something else after a few years anyway, right?
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:27 AM   #24
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Pick the decor you like. Other than the obvious length difference, the biggest difference is which side you want the dinette/windows on. We like our 28 with the big windows campsite.
Thank you for that. I can't believe that I thought I had researched and figured it all out before we bought our first AS, a 27' International Sterling, but you just told me something that I had never realized before. It never occurred to me to think about which side the dinette windows would be on! That makes great sense. I can see why it would be better (for us) to have them on the campsite side. (to watch the dogs, of course!) I will now pay attention to that in the floor plans. Thank you!
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Old 11-09-2019, 07:46 AM   #25
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Thank you for that. I can't believe that I thought I had researched and figured it all out before we bought our first AS, a 27' International Sterling, but you just told me something that I had never realized before. It never occurred to me to think about which side the dinette windows would be on! That makes great sense. I can see why it would be better (for us) to have them on the campsite side. (to watch the dogs, of course!) I will now pay attention to that in the floor plans. Thank you!
We are finishing up the 2nd season with our 2018 Serenity 28 RBQ. One more weekend trip before thanksgiving and we will be at 108 nights total. Would pick the 28 again. For us it is the best layout. Would prefer the rear pano windows, but not a fan of twin beds.
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Old 11-10-2019, 10:31 AM   #27
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Backing up with Ford’s computerized backup assist on the F150, new F250, and Excursions is a completely different experience and worry-free. You just twist a knob in the cab and the back goes where you tell it. The computer works out all the geometry.
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Old 11-10-2019, 08:00 PM   #28
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I used to have a Safari 28W and now I have a Flying Cloud 30, which is 31 feet long. The difference in backing and parking is insignificant. The floor plan is reversed and we really prefer the 30 layout with the dinette on the road side. The 30 is noticeably heavier, and I towed both with my GMC 2500 Duramax. Remember that the tow rating of a vehicle is reduced by the payload carried. I towed my 28 with a Hensley and my 30 with a Propride (which I prefer). Remember that the GCVR is very important for estimating the load on the TV. My GMC is rated at 24,000 and the 1500 about 14,000. The 2500 has much bigger brakes. The tires are load range E with a max inflation of 80 psi, which produces a much stiffer sidewall. You have to decide how much stress you want to put on a TV. Your Ram would be happy pulling the Flying Cloud 30. I think the 8,800 gross weight maximum of the Flying Cloud 30 is pushing a 1/2 ton truck.
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Old 11-10-2019, 09:57 PM   #29
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30 ft international

I have owned my 30 for 3 seasons. Love it. Never had a problem with over head cabinets as nothing falls out. The short wife uses a step stool. Problem solved.
We will also be converting half our large hall closet in to a pantry.
We have a queen RB and would probably get the twins had we to do it over again.
Great layout with a separate dining area and lounge area. No putting a table up and down.
Wife wishes we had kept the oven instead of micro-convection. But that seemed like a good idea at the time.
On the plus side we picked up extra drawers.
Another 3 perks to having the twin beds 1) trailer looks longer/more spacious
2) If you want to do a guy trip you can share the bedroom w/o sleeping in the same bed.
3) easy in and out of bed with center wide open. Also good if you travel with dogs.
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Old 11-11-2019, 08:41 AM   #30
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Backing up with Ford’s computerized backup assist on the F150, new F250, and Excursions is a completely different experience and worry-free. You just twist a knob in the cab and the back goes where you tell it. The computer works out all the geometry.
There is no knob in the F250.
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Remember the International 30 is missing the entire overhead cabinet above the dinette that is present in the Flying Cloud. The wrap around windows in the rear bedroom make it harder to keep it dark for sleeping.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:33 PM   #32
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Remember the International 30 is missing the entire overhead cabinet above the dinette that is present in the Flying Cloud. The wrap around windows in the rear bedroom make it harder to keep it dark for sleeping.
We prefer the “no cabinet” above the dinette. Opens up the area, and you get two extra small windows above the big side windows. Personal preference.
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:18 PM   #33
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Remember the International 30 is missing the entire overhead cabinet above the dinette that is present in the Flying Cloud. The wrap around windows in the rear bedroom make it harder to keep it dark for sleeping.
True about the cabinets. But they are larger in the international and are better for storage.
Never has a problem sleeping due to light infiltration from the wrap arounds.
Do wish however that the shades did a better job of blocking light on the side windows. May have to install silver bubble wrap as a light blocker.
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Old 11-12-2019, 09:14 AM   #34
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True about the cabinets. But they are larger in the international and are better for storage.
Never has a problem sleeping due to light infiltration from the wrap arounds.
Do wish however that the shades did a better job of blocking light on the side windows. May have to install silver bubble wrap as a light blocker.
Included some pics I had from my early research on cabinets and also show the twin space down the middle. I actually measured the cabinets in both models. True, they are 3 inches deeper at the bottom, but the sliding doors present a problem when loading/unloading larger items, and you are limited in size of some items to get thru those sliders, since they only open half way. As for the 2 oval windows above the large dinning windows vs extra storage of 2 additional cabinets;not worth the trade for extra kitchen storage, IMHO. My point is, both are nice...it's preference. Note that the Globe Trotter has same type cabinet doors as the FC model...so does the Classic, (albeit nicer wood) In the end, it's an AS...it's all good!

(Still like the Classic 30 the best!)
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There is no knob in the F250.
For 2020 Ford changed to electric-assisted steering (from hydraulic) and so the new F250s have a knob.
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Old 11-15-2019, 08:54 AM   #36
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For 2020 Ford changed to electric-assisted steering (from hydraulic) and so the new F250s have a knob.
I did not know that...time to trade! Actually, my wife would kill me...she said not till we reach 250K miles...which with 75K miles now, will be 4-5 more years... LOL
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If you are under 5'9" all of the overhead cabinets will tick you off most of the time... because you cannot see what is in the bottom.
Solutions: wear platform shoes or get a couple of little folding step stools. Also replacing the cabinet lips on the medicine cabinets with plexiglass or lexan works well.

Did you know that the inside panels on the sides of the cabinet are sometimes held in place with brads, and sometimes just wedged in? If you want to, you can pull one out and use it as a pattern to make vertical dividers for plates, etc. Do cut a notch in the front big enough to get a grip on the plate or bowl you've stored.

And having an ancient Cheech and Chong moment, there is a nice little space behind the side panel where you can store your "oregano".

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If you are under 5'9" all of the overhead cabinets will tick you off most of the time... because you cannot see what is in the bottom.
Solutions: wear platform shoes or get a couple of little folding step stools. Also replacing the cabinet lips on the medicine cabinets with plexiglass or lexan works well.


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Another option is to add mirrors to the back like they did in the Globetrotter! My dear wife and I are “vertically challenged “ and the mirrors really help.
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Another option is to add mirrors to the back like they did in the Globetrotter! My dear wife and I are “vertically challenged “ and the mirrors really help.
If you put a larger mirror, could use it to shave also...while wife is tying up the bathroom mirror! Just saying...
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