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Old 10-29-2014, 10:30 PM   #15
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Older Safari 22' Units

I hadn't found all of the other posts prior to posting a suggestion that you look for an older 22' Safari, but photos and the full listings of features are archived at Colonial RV in New Jersey, so even if they don't have a unit of that vintage, you can see photos and listed features (takes a little digging on the website, but they have numerous archived photos from past sales).

The 2004 Safari has a 30 gallon fresh water tank and 20 gallon gray and 20 gallon black tanks, and it has the 'queen' bed that I put a 3 inch memory foam topper on (Costco Online NOT the Gel version). Here in Albuquerque the dealer figures a thousand a foot for used units if in good condition. That means less than half of what a new unit costs. The difference will buy a lot of gas...and a lot of folks don't use them much or buy a bigger one within a year or two. If you think the 22 foot is right for you, take a look before you leap!
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Old 10-29-2014, 11:37 PM   #16
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It appears that you have already done your homework ... get the 23 or downsize to the FC20 which has only a trailer double vs the 22 or 23 with a trailer queen.
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Old 10-31-2014, 04:24 AM   #17
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Just got the build sheet on the 22 Sport and it DOES have an insulated and covered underbelly. Many valid points re: fresh, black and grey water capacity and boondocking (which I hope to do a LOT of).

I'll also search for a 20' Safari though my initial search did not uncover one.

The one non-negotiable item is a larger bed, AT LEAST a full bed which precludes many models any 25'.

Everything is a compromise, and when compared to tent camping, the smaller 22' sport is still luxurious. But the extra bit of usefulness of the 23' FC for all the reasons stated cannot be denied.

Again, I'm grateful for all of this incredibly useful input .
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Old 10-31-2014, 09:50 AM   #18
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Thought I'd add a little info. Our Sport was ordered with a 28 gallon fresh water tank, Canadian suspension, larger capacity heater and AC, and 3-way charging system.
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Old 10-31-2014, 10:24 AM   #19
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For freezing weather at night I think the Sport storage tanks have electric heaters and the 23 FC FB has ducted propane heat, including to the storage tanks. Electric is difficult to support unless hooked to external power.

Dual axles, two batteries, ducted heat are good to have. In use you will find the models with living space in the center somewhat dark and confining, compared to the living space at the end. We had a 20' which was good as a weekender and vacation traveler, you may not like the 48" wide bed for two.

Anything smaller than 25' really has no living room, and a 25' although not much larger than the 23' feels like a castle inside when comparing. That's where we ended up coming from years of VW pop top camping. Still maneuverable, the features of a large trailer without the size, and we pull it easily with our 2012 Ram 1500 Hemi.

Look at Colonial Airstream website for a great selection and good photos to compare different models.
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Old 10-31-2014, 11:18 AM   #20
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It sounds like you are solo so the 22 Sport would be ideal for you. The 4 cu/ft fridge is adequate and the grey holding tank of 24 gallons is decent size. You should be able to boondock for 5 to 7 days before having to dump, the 3 of us were able to go 4 days and nights with our first trailer, a Casita 17', with its 32 gallon grey. The only thing I wish AS would do to improve on this model is add overhead cabinets over the dinette. I wonder if its possible to get the front rock guards added to a 22fb Sport?

Get a portable 100w solar panel and/or 2000w generator and you can easily keep the single battery charged. Maybe there is space to add another battery next to the original battery.

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Old 10-31-2014, 11:52 AM   #21
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My 22 Sport does have the covered underbelly. It's a 2010 model. If I know that I'm going to need extra water, I simply take it with me in water cans carried in my tow vehicle. If you are going to be out for several days boondocking, you'll need some solar back up for your battery and/or an extra battery and/or a small generator to occasionally recharge the battery. I went with the small generator, but if I had it to do over, I'd go with solar panels and an additional battery.
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Old 10-31-2014, 12:06 PM   #22
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baldwin, I agree with you on solar. We have factory solar and 2000 watt Honda, but no longer travel with the nuisance generator and it's companion gas can(s). The solar panels can provide more than the batteries can hold, so when these batteries have run their course we will move up a size.
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Old 10-31-2014, 03:13 PM   #23
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Wow , what a wealth of information on this subject! I do have a girlfriend and a 70 lb Chesapeake Bay Retriever. Both will be along on weekend trips. On longer trips, the CBR will definitely be along and the girlfriend, too, if her schedule allows (She works, I'm retired) but for at least some of those trips it will be me and the Chessie-dog.

Love the idea of a solar panel. Can a dealer hook me up?

Supposed to snow here in NC overnight. If weather allows plan on traveling to a dealer tomorrow and look just one more time before pulling the trigger.

Thanks again to everyone!
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Old 10-31-2014, 04:49 PM   #24
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Wow , what a wealth of information on this subject! I do have a girlfriend and a 70 lb Chesapeake Bay Retriever. Both will be along on weekend trips. On longer trips, the CBR will definitely be along and the girlfriend, too, if her schedule allows (She works, I'm retired) but for at least some of those trips it will be me and the Chessie-dog.

Love the idea of a solar panel. Can a dealer hook me up?

Supposed to snow here in NC overnight. If weather allows plan on traveling to a dealer tomorrow and look just one more time before pulling the trigger.

Thanks again to everyone!
While Colonial in NJ has probably the best prices, don't over-look Out of Doors Mart in Colfax, NC...we purchased a used 2008 20' Safari (one owner) in 2011..we considered a new 22' Sport but for layout and price we chose the 20' Safari...it's just a matter of preference
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Old 10-31-2014, 08:54 PM   #25
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We had a vintage Argosy that was the same width as the Sport. I thought the one foot wider 23' that I bought later would be much more difficult to tow. It isn't. I got similar fuel economy towing either trailer; other variables mattered more than cross-section.

Where the added width pays off is in livability. Our 23 feels spacious compared to the 7-ft wide trailers. As Doug said above, the 25'+ trailers feel much more spacious still, amazing for 3' longer and 6" wider.

IIRC, the Sports still use a different window design. Less opening area but perhaps cheaper to replace broken glass and easier to keep open in the rain without wetness inside. That said, we like the big opening windows. (It's actually a frustration - I'm looking at Sprinter-based class b mohos and they all have tiny opening window area.)

The back bumper probably isn't great in a rear crash, but it would be dandy if I tapped a tree backing into a site. Much better than hitting an unprotected rear corner of the trailer. Also like dumping the sewer hose in there rather than sliding it into a tube-like holder.

I do think the Sport 22 is a great floor plan, but wish AS gave it the features of a Flying Cloud.

Finally, if it was my $$ and I was buying new, I'd get a 23D. Tight bathroom but otherwise feels so open and light inside. More floor-room for the dog too.


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Old 11-01-2014, 09:08 AM   #26
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You can have rock guards added to the Sport22. I talked to my dealer about it this summer...
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Old 11-06-2014, 04:37 PM   #27
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We have the 22' Sport. Travel with 3 20-30lbs dogs that have their den under the front bed. The dinette has not been our favorite for sitting and recently tried lowering the table and making that area a large couch. Works better for the both of us to relax. Still not perfect though. Do like the separate shower and toilet area and the larger bed than the corner bedroom layouts in the FC and 16 Sport. The dogs get a pen outside on a large mat when weather is nice for their dinners.

I had to select the Sport as the 4500 lbs was close to the max my Jeep Liberty could tow. We also liked the more modern feel of the Sport. Ideal for us will be a 25FB with some recliners or comfortable sofa but that takes another investment in a bigger tow vehicle.
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Old 11-08-2014, 01:05 PM   #28
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I really appreciate all of the replies, they were most helpful. I tend to over research things and agonized over this decision for nearly a month before I FINALLY pulled the trigger on neither trailer, electing instead to purchase a 2014 25 Ft. Flying Cloud, which was heavily discounted due to it not being a 2015 for basically the same price as a 2015 2013 FB.

Anyway, hoping this was the right decision, but I won't know until I get out and start camping which I plan to do with a 6 week trip to the Southwest beginning on November 19 (see new thread about my concerns regarding winter camping).

Thanks again, everyone, this really, really helped.
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