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Old 09-28-2005, 06:59 AM   #1
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20's 30's Where are you?

As "the Mom", I intentionally stayed out of this discussion initially to see what the response would be. Interesting. Some supportive, some suspicious or threatened. Hmmm.

We are very active in WBCCI and the NE Unit. We have grown our Unit and are interested in attracting members in the "younger" category, say the 20's and 30's. We seem to be low on those members from a percentage standpoint and would love to see those numbers grow. The New England Unit has seen its membership decline over the past years and is now experiencing an explosion of active and new members. We are so fortunate and have a great mix of working people, some 20's and 30's, some retired and lots of families. Our youngest AS owning member is 16, then 18 and Jeep at 22, with several member families in their 30's. We now have other 50 something members interested in hooking their kids up with vintage AS trailers and getting them on the road with the club.

As an active member of the Unit, Jeep is trying to find ways to contact other "younger" members and find out what would make them join, what rallies or activities they might participate in. Their expendable cash situation may be different, activities may be different, expectations may be different. (I remember being this age and tied up with college, career, buying a first home and having very little extra time and money).

I am wondering what would bring the 20 and 30 somethings into the WBCCI? How do we bring multiple generations into the club? For the future health of the club we need the interest of the younger members now.

Great effort, Jeep.

You're causing discussion on this issue and that's always a good thing to raise awareness. Keep up the good work and let us know what WBCCI can do to interest these age groups in joining. I hope this gets off the ground.

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Old 09-28-2005, 07:40 AM   #2
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I still have not voted. Not sure if I want to weigh in and have my "vote" counted.

Kimber and I are in our mid-thirties. That may make us too old to be included in the Youngsters, I'm not sure.

What I do know is that we have found that although many of the WBCCI members have higher numbers in their year count, they are all very young at heart when compared to other people with the very same year count. I think there is a magic at play here that self-selects people that enjoy life and think "young", they stay more active and make the most of everything.

I also agree with Rivetdude:
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I don't think for a second that young people can't get along with older people. The fact that a young person is an Airstream owner by itself I think shows a higher level of maturity in the first place.
I certainly think that the "younsters" that own a trailer and participate in this forum, parks, rallys, etc. have certainly (in my biased observation) proven to be self selected in the area of maturity. ok, well sometimes.

Do the youngsters need a special area? Maybe. I just don't know. I'm not feeling a huge need for one personally. Maybe a separate chat area might work, but we could do that just by selecting a different chat night.

Hmmmm..... this post wasn't much help at all.
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Old 09-28-2005, 07:56 AM   #3
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Hi, thanks for the feedback. You are in the much sought after age group, so your insight is valuable.

The basic question is really; How do we attract more of the 20 and 30 year olds to the WBCCI? What would be of interest? One of the great things about this age group is how high-tech and plugged in you all are. So that's why the forum is so important as a venue for communicating. The idea of a particular forum for the age group isn't to discriminate in a negative way, but to direct to interaction toward a "like minded" forum. But, still the bigger question is outside of the Youth Forum idea.
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Old 09-28-2005, 09:21 AM   #4
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Youth forum! Youth forum! Youth forummmmmmmm........................

Sounds like a great idea Jeep! I'm sure my 20's something daughter would become more interested in the forum and attending more rallies with her family if she knew there were people there she could relate to.

So..........let's ALL vote YES for a Youth Forum. It would definitely keep the AS thing alive for generations to come!


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Old 09-28-2005, 06:15 PM   #5
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Hi, thanks for the feedback. You are in the much sought after age group, so your insight is valuable.

The basic question is really; How do we attract more of the 20 and 30 year olds to the WBCCI? What would be of interest? One of the great things about this age group is how high-tech and plugged in you all are. So that's why the forum is so important as a venue for communicating. The idea of a particular forum for the age group isn't to discriminate in a negative way, but to direct to interaction toward a "like minded" forum. But, still the bigger question is outside of the Youth Forum idea.
I'd be more than willing to talk more about this topic. I'm not sure we should hi-jack this thread for that conversation, but I find it very interesting to think about how the WBCCI can compete with all of the other opportuities that lie in front of 20/30 somethings.

Kimber and I have talked about all of the knowledge that we can gain from everyone in the WBCCI and how important it is to capture that knowledge of great places to visit on rallys and even what it takes to set one up. There is so much to learn from all of those who are young at heart.
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Moved from "Youth Forum"

I have split this thread off from the original, so the youths and young adults can better follow their subjects of interest.
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Old 09-28-2005, 09:07 PM   #7
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Not to digress but Airstream is selling more trailers now than in quite some time but the WBCCI is shrinking. I am with Pam on asking how to attract this newer younger Airstreamer. It seems like everyone from the VFW to the Boy and Girl Scouts are in the same boat. Is life too busy today to get involved in clubs and organizations? Sorry for not providing any answers but I will be giving it thought and looking for responses from others.
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Old 09-28-2005, 11:00 PM   #8
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Not to digress but Airstream is selling more trailers now than in quite some time but the WBCCI is shrinking. I am with Pam on asking how to attract this newer younger Airstreamer. It seems like everyone from the VFW to the Boy and Girl Scouts are in the same boat. Is life too busy today to get involved in clubs and organizations? Sorry for not providing any answers but I will be giving it thought and looking for responses from others.
Brad,

I think you have touched on a major part of the answer, or at least the problem.

Keeping in mind that the following may sound like generalizations and I am fully aware that there are always families that are exceptions in all generations. Please feel free to disagree with my perceptions, as the experiences and observations I have had are not the same as everyone elses. I'm putting these out there as ideas to shoot at for the sake of starting a discussion that hopefully will help bring some ideas.

I think there is a serious impact on the WBCCI and other social organizations (read: Knights of Columbus, Rotery, etc...) all based in the fact that the adults in families are putting in between 100 and 120 hours a week at work. (I know your family had two working adults, Brad)

I think there is a lot more available today for entertainment. I think there is a lot more competing for a families dollars. I think travel has grown global over the past few decades (for the average American) than it has been. The world has shrunk for 20/30 year olds, as travel abroad, although not free, has dropped as a % of annual household income.

I believe that families today have their children involved in many more organized activities than ever before. This is also impacting available time for families. I can't tell you how many parents I've discussed this with. Parents have been bombarded with stories of kidnapping and other unspeakables, which impacts the way children are raised today. Anyone who thinks this is a new problem, vs. a newly revealed problem and newly publicly broadcast by faster more pervasive and global media, may well be fooling themselves.

I've had several discussions about how much time we used to spend unsupervised away from home, etc. If we were board, we were told to go play outside, or go to the park, or run to the store for me. Parents today have been scared away from some of the things that were acceptable just 25 short years ago.

I also think there is a bit of an impact associated with a loss of social planning with both adults working long hours.

In my family, Kimber and I also spend many weekends traveling several hundred miles to see and visit parents, grandparents, brother's and their families. We have a hard time having free weekends, and holiday weekends tend to be used for these family trips so there is more family time and the weekend isn't consumed with driving. We put a lot of effort into attempting to stay close with our families. Is it fair to say that the average family in the US is spread over greater distances now than it used to be?

There really isn't any logical thread to my thoughts here, other than I think all of these things play differently and many times additively for families today than they have in the past.

We are members of WBCCI and have attended as many of the parties as possible (e.g. Christmas and Valentines), but have not managed to attend any rallies to date.

Not having the history of WBCCI, have 20/30 year-olds ever been a significant segment of WBCCI? I know the Airstream has been considered the Cadilac of the trailers for decades, and would have to assume it was priced that way. It is safe to assume there were fewer used trailers available. Were 20/30 year-olds able to purchase an Airstream? Is the ownership of Airstreams fairly new to the 20/30 year old segment?
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Old 09-28-2005, 11:03 PM   #9
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I think its important to maintain the balance, but more importantly have the outlet for "Generation X" communication available. Overall the value and reason I found this forum is based on the knowledge and information AFTER I purchased an Airstream...or two, now.. As an early thirty something, I think its cool that folks my age that have started families have a common interest in finding each other, since we share a similar interest. I dont doubt that all of you are alright to hang with at rallies. But today, my interest is to find ways to re-do my 'streams, and if a rally should be close enough to our neck of the desert, I'd go over a weekend. But to find ways to take a road trip to spend a week on vaca, like you younger guys with families, my kids always want to go to Disneyland. They like the camping gig for weekends. So we would look for regional type get togethers that are short term and planned in advance. My two cents.. And thanks for the karma last month overlander63.....I'd camp with you anytime ...
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Old 09-28-2005, 11:20 PM   #10
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I'm 39 and holding (until this November anyways), does that mean I can consider myself included in this demographic?

According to what I found online:

Generation X is considered those born between 1965 and 1975...

Generation Y is considered those born between 1979 and 1994...

What about the unfortuante ones born in 1976, 1977, or 1978??
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Old 09-28-2005, 11:24 PM   #11
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Funny.... I thought "X'ers" were 1970-75 and the "e-Generation" was 80+. Where did youfind that???
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Old 09-28-2005, 11:32 PM   #12
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I think the 'youth' are spread too few and far between to look forward to running into each other at rallys, but if they can feel more involved by finding people their own age to talk to here, then more power to them. I'm on the upper edge of 'youth' as defined, we work and don't have time to get in too many rallys. It's great to run into people our own age when we do, though we enjoy all the people we've met in the club with only a very few exceptions.

I think it is interesting that all social clubs are hurting right now. I was shocked when I took my car to the local mustang club show last month. I was surrounded by 60 year olds, for the most part! Now I think of Mustangs as something young people do, in fact I regularly tell myself I really should outgrow them sometime. Turns out even the Mustang club is struggling to figure out how to bring more young people back into their club! You know at least half the Mustangs on the road are driven by the under-40 crowd, but they don't join clubs. So the club is growing old and dying, just like the elks, moose, WBCCI, etc! It really is a shift in the way we live.

When I was a kid my Grandpa was an Elk, and a member of the Moose Lodge, and I think the Lions too. He volunteered, and he and Grandma loved to go down to the lodge and play cards and meet their friends on Friday night. People just don't do that sort of thing anymore.

It's a shame because we really enjoy getting out and going to a rally now and then. I have to admit the annual dues are hard to pay, knowing we'll only make it to a couple rallys a year. I can see that stopping people who don't participate much, and don't have a lot of cash to spare.

Another thing is the entertainment at WBCCI activities. It can be a little old. We had a cowboy poet at one rally, and he was very good (I bought his CD and I enjoy listening to it) but he encouraged everyone to sing along with "Strawberry Roan", and I felt really young, because we were the only ones in that room who'd never heard of it. Then at dinner one night we made a Simpson's joke, and it was clearly lost on the people around us. Normally we communicate with friends our age via Simpsons jokes

So, I don't think I have any answer, I'm just rattling on. I guess it will take someone smarter than I to put it all together and unlock the key to this problem.
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Old 09-28-2005, 11:47 PM   #13
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Actually, there are a lot of us (and I can back this up with some study or another) who think that the break between Baby Boomer & GenX came between 1961 & 1962.

There is a huge generational gap between me & That Man I Used to Date despite him being born in '57 & me in '62. I've found that difference to play out with most of my friends' & relatives' families as well.

As for the "youth" thing, it might be tougher to pinpoint that demographic than you might think. Those of us who are 40-something, single & childless, for instance, might have more fun with a bunch of similar 30-year-olds than we would with a bunch of couples our age with 3 kids apiece.

and if it's the joy of playing & running & making a game with whatever ball is to hand & chasing with the dogs ... if that's what historically separates the younguns from the other 'uns whose hobby is sitting on a folding chair & watching & getting fatter, well, let's ALL get a little bit younger!
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Mark,
When our kids were little we used to send them out to play just to keep them busy without any fear, But later we were into highly regulated team sports like Hockey and Volleyball. When we traveled it was a family event and we all went togeather even if it was to watch the boy shool pucks or the grils play volleyball we did it togeather, But our camping in those took a real beating There was no family time.I also have a large extended family as does my wife. Last summer we new baby's birthdays and a few funerals to top everything off wwe even had a wedding to attend. these alwasy happen when the unit has a great week end planned, What's a guy to do? I have tried to made a unit event for over 2 yers and it just aint happening. We bring our children down to the Airstream park and they love it but they just don;t have the time to spend their.They are starting careers and the need to buy homes and wally Byam is way in the back of their mind.Does the unit have to start providing events that interest this group at a time when they can be available to participate? Maybe even more geared to school childern and younger children. Look what's selling out there today. It's the small family camping units not the 34 Limited.I think these folks want to go weekend camping and take thier kids. Sounds like a good plan. I'll bet a good local 5-6 day sight seeing tour would attrack several younger menbers, This must be done over a spring break or corispond with other school vacations Evevnts would have to br planned for children Good Luck Brad
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