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Old 04-27-2011, 06:07 PM   #15
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Old 04-27-2011, 06:14 PM   #16
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the issue I see is a 1948 is not a 1950 and a 1950 is not a 1954 and a 1954 is not even close to a 1958 in body style, construction, appointment, equipment or layout. Your asking for too broad a group.
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Justification for 1940s - 1950s Subforum

Although there are differences between years which are critical for a restorer there are also commonalities across the group. For example all Airstreams prior to 1952 had a tube frame which has particular characteristics. The usage of wood for interiors was similar through much of the 1950s. Years of wear and tear can be similar. It really depends how fine you want to cut it. For 1948 19' Trailwinds 17 were produced and fewer than 6 known to exist. 1949 '18 Trailwinds 43 were manufactured and 2 are members on the AIR Trailwind sub-forum. There were 53 Wee Winds produced but there are very few Wee Wind owners on any forum.

The purpose of a pre-1960 Sub-Forum is to provide a forum to discuss items of interest for participants of this larger group rather than by model and year subforums where there might only be a couple of members.
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Old 04-27-2011, 06:45 PM   #18
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I still think you are linking too many dissimilar units into one big group even if the actual numbers are small.
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Old 04-27-2011, 08:47 PM   #19
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A 62 rear is very different from that of a 47 for sure.
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Perhaps a Tube Frame Subgroup (1947-1952)

Hi Frank,
What do you think about a tube frame subgroup which would be pre-1953. Seems like this could fit your a '48 is not a'54 is not a '58 (I would argue that a '50 is not that different than a '48). This 6 year spread would expand potential numbers of AIR forums members to about 125 with 50 of those being pre-1950. Not a huge group but certainly better than 2 members with a 1949 Trailwind.

Other readers of this thread what do you think about a 1947-1952 grouping?

Thanks again all for your input.
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Pipe frames were phased out in the 1950-53 time frame, not strictly in 1953 as suggested earlier in this thread:
  • The 25' Cruiser line started 1950 with a pipe frame, but converted to a ladder frame during the 1950 model year.
  • The 22' Liner with pipe frame ended production in 1951.
  • The 21' Flying Cloud may have had a pipe from for all of 1951, but converted to a ladder frame by 1952.
  • The 17'/18' Clipper had a pipe frame for most of all of 1952, converting to a ladder frame for 1953.
  • The 1951-52 15' Cruisettes apparently all had pipe frames and did not continue production into 1953.
  • I do not know the specifics for the 32' Liner, but suspect it converted to a ladder frame about the same time as the 25' Cruiser in 1950.
Thus a pipe frame subgroup could not have a "clean" end boundary year.
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1947-1951 or 1947-1959 Vintage Sub Group

Hi Joe,
Thank you for the wealth of information about Airstream's conversion from pipe frame to latter frame. Although there is not a clear cut-off for pipe frame Airstreams, pre-1952 would seem pretty safe since there are only 4 members that list a 1951 25' Cruiser as their #1 trailer and none with a 1951 32' liner.

Personally I'd prefer a sub-forum from 1947-1959 vintage but some feel that is too broad. At least 1947-1951 is before the trailer vintage of those that have expressed reservations, so that could be one option.

Maybe some others could give their perspective.

BTW Joe, given your knowledge of early Airstreams was there a 4000 serial number series for early Airstreams? The Shady Dell Trailer Park in Arizona indicates they have a 21' 1949 Airstream which appears to be a dead ringer for my 1949 Trailwind although longer, but it does not have the look of a Liner. According to Vintageairstream serial number series appear to be accounted for from 1000-8000 with the exception of the 4000s.

Thanks again for your input.
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BTW Joe, given your knowledge of early Airstreams was there a 4000 serial number series for early Airstreams? The Shady Dell Trailer Park in Arizona indicates they have a 21' 1949 Airstream which appears to be a dead ringer for my 1949 Trailwind although longer, but it does not have the look of a Liner. According to Vintageairstream serial number series appear to be accounted for from 1000-8000 with the exception of the 4000s.

Thanks again for your input.
I will admit to having learned about Early Airstream serial numbers from the work of other, including the prior VAC Historian Fred Coldwell as well as vintageairstream.com. I still do not understand these details completely. As far as I know, the 4000 serial number range was not used in the late 40's-early 50's, but I do not know why. That range was eventually used in 1953-56 (with a preceeding "O") for Ohio built 25'/25' Cruisers and 1957-58 (without the preceeding "O") for California built 18-footers.
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