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Old 11-11-2009, 12:27 PM   #15
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Hi Becky,

Little Girl is sitting for the winter without a belly pan, and the side wraps all hanging down. The new floor is all primed on the edges and underside, so no raw wood exposed at all. All openings in the shell (water heater, wheel wells, etc.) are covered with heavy plastic to keep the snow and critters out.

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Old 11-11-2009, 01:10 PM   #16
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Okay, I've started! I got the center of the bellypan off in the rear. It doesn't look too bad. I'll take some pix. I do have to do some dropping of the banana wrap, though. Can't see the outriggers at all. I'm in for some lunch & will go back out & see what I can do!

Chris, I think your advise is good--block critter holes! Although I have bigger problems....I have some critters (mice) in my attic of my house!!! The attack is on! Yuck....
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Old 11-11-2009, 04:39 PM   #17
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Man - I hate mice!!! We get them in the house every so often. But right now, 2 cats and 3 dogs seem to keep them at bay.
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Old 11-11-2009, 06:51 PM   #18
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It was nice out today, so I thought I'd take a stab at the bellypan. I took the middle section out first, thinking I could look at the outriggers from there. Of course, those of you who know what the frame of a trailer looks like, you can't see the outriggers from the middle! The first two pictures are of the middle
It didn't look bad, accept for the large, flat piece that was rusty. There was floor rot in that area on both sides of the trailer. I had to bite the bullet and try to drop the banana wrap. I tried to just remove the underside & pull it down, but there was so much rust & I knew some outriggers would have to be replaced, so I just took the whole thing off. There are at least 3 that need to be replaced & more that are badly rusted. The main frame has a hole in the rear. Can't wait to get to the front & see what awaits me there!

I'm not going to remove the pans from the water storage areas. The middle seems to be in good condition & there was never any water in those areas. (unless I'm a sucker for punishment of course).
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:30 PM   #19
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All standard damage, remove the insultion including what's on top of the steel.

Coat the good steel with POR-15, repair the rest.

Now there are two ways or more do it replace the outriggers about $15 each plus labor to remove and reweld.

The problem is the top of the bolt on the outter end in inside the walls above??

You could repair them in place by welding new bottoms on them, a lot quicker and will work fine.

You can leave the existing ones and add new ones next to them?

The reason for the damage IMO is the pick stuff holds the water, don't put it back in there.

Are you doing this yourself, if so can you weld?


ps: for an '86 that's a lot of rust!
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:46 PM   #20
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It sure is a lot of rust for an '86. There were lots of suprises with this trailer. I found out (through an observer here) that the endcaps were replaced at some point in time. Thus huge leaks right down all the seams to the endcaps, thus rot in all 4 places where they met the floor & now, as expected, the outriggers are shot.

I can't weld. But my son can. Maybe I'll have him repair the ones that are in there. The tops are fine. The bottoms are the rusty part. I noticed that some of the outriggers are solid & some are open. Any idea why?

I'm not putting the pink stuff back in there. I'm going to use some kind of insulation that people on the forums recommend (can't remember the name offhand--have to look it up again). Do you get the pink stuff off the tops of the steel with a knife, or what? I didn't think it was a big deal there.

Planning on using Por-15. Used it on my hitch in front & it's great.

I think I might land up making new sides for the banana wrap. It has some holes & corrosion in it. From what I've read, it's not that hard if you have a sharp tin snip.
I'll have to research that a little more!
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Old 11-11-2009, 08:16 PM   #21
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I noticed that some of the outriggers are solid & some are open. Any idea why?
I assume a structual issue perhap where the tanks are?????

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I'm not putting the pink stuff back in there.

Do you get the pink stuff off the tops of the steel with a knife, or what? I didn't think it was a big deal there.
Prodex is very good

Yes use a putty knife etc just get it out when you see the scale and wood will just keep wicking up.
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Old 11-11-2009, 08:31 PM   #22
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I assume a structual issue perhap where the tanks are?????


I don't know....there is one on each side by the tanks & there are two on the rear on the streetside. More mystery, I guess.

Prodex...that's the one!

Thanks for your imput! I'll let the welder know your advise...I think I'll go with putting another one back to back with the old one..shouldn't be has hard that way. Beggars (me to my son) can't be choosers!
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Old 11-13-2009, 06:23 PM   #23
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critter openings

Speaking of critters getting in the belly pan, I tried to seal all openings but just this year I had some unwanted visitors in my Argosy, were else should I look to see if there are any other openings?
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Old 11-14-2009, 07:35 AM   #24
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Foam Insulation

Wow, you have a big project going. I hope to be doing the same think next summer. Your frame rust looks similar to mine. I believe I have lots of rain water getting into the belly area from my rear bumper sewer hose storage compartment. There are no water seal there. My rear most frame cross member had holes in it. The pink batting insulation holds moisture. I also have a rear cap seam leak causing rotting of the wood floor in that area.

Okay, I used just regular old house foam insulation like a person might use to finish off a basement. I cut it in squares and glued it up between the frame cross members. We live in Minnesota, so I put up two layers, one on top of the other. I also drilled several 3/8 diameter holes in my new bellypan to let any rain water out.

So here is a picture.
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Old 11-14-2009, 04:34 PM   #25
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Mine does look alot like yours. I haven't gotten as far as deciding upon the insulation yet. The Prodex looks good, but it's really expensive. We don't go camping that often in the cold anymore, so I don't know if it's worth the investment. I'll mull that one over the winter. The foam like you used looks nice & tidy!

I finished removing the front belly pan and banana wrap today. Looks like I'll need 4 new outriggers. All I can say is, this really isn't a girl job! I think I have metal & rust in my hair. I also found the epicenter of the previous mouse kingdom up toward the front of the trailer. Yucky, yucky, ew, ew! I think I pulled a muscle (or have a hernia) from trying to get the legs off. After I struggled all day, my son ponied up his impact drill & they broke right off! (just like dbj216 said would happen!).

I will be making new banana wrap & really hope I can get it back on. I tore one piece of it & I couldn't get a strip of it off from under the refridgerator vent area. One more hat to wear.

My daughter is getting married two weeks from today. I have to stop this obcession for a while. I can't very well go to her wedding with scabs all over my hands & black Por-15 all over my arms! I'm taking a break so I can heal before then!
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Old 11-14-2009, 05:59 PM   #26
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Becky,

The underbelly is something most vintage owners will deal with at least once.
But to me 86, is not that old.

Is nasty under there.
I am surprised about the amount of rust on your rear frame.

When I dropped the rear underbelly on my 67, it looked like a big monster puked on the driveway.
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Old 11-14-2009, 09:39 PM   #27
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Is nasty under there.
I am surprised about the amount of rust on your rear frame.

Well, believe me, I was suprised too. Ironically, my husband talked me into selling my 1976 Overlander because of all the things I read here about rear end separation. It didn't have it, but it was a worry. I never dropped the belly pan in that one. But, we thought we'd get a newer, larger model for our needs. Big suprise after I started digging into things. I hope to keep this one & am doing everything so I know every inch myself! I'm not dropping the pans for the water areas though. I think that area is still good. The center of the trailer wasn't bad--the outside was. This will keep me busy for a long time! I need to have it ready by June, so I have a bit of time.
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Old 11-15-2009, 06:54 AM   #28
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Airparts Aluminum

You are likely no longer terrified of bellypans and bananna wraps. Maybe you will be serving some bananna wraps at the upcomming wedding! You have drilled out a lot of rivets!

I used Airparts in Kansas City for my replacement aluminum. They came recommended by this forum. They have it in 48" wide rolls as long as you want. They also have rivets by the sack. Aluminum is expensive so don't be shocked by the cost.

Airparts Inc. Homepage

Here is their web page. I had a good experience in dealing with them.

Here is a picture of my seam. I think the Airstream factory has a seam machine that forms the joint. It also appeared Airstream used interior sheeting for the bellypan. Mine was colored on the inside surface similar to the interior walls. But us backyard Airstreamers make our own seams using holes and rivets.

I made a 4 by 8 table to work on the aluminum sheeting. I could keep it square and clamp it down while cutting, making the seam, and cutting the overall length. The table helped out a lot.

Like most projects, the teardown goes a whole lot faster than the rebuild.


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