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Old 04-16-2003, 07:28 PM   #57
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Old 04-18-2003, 02:41 AM   #58
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Hi all..
Ok...FIRST of all, I want to thank ALL of you sweethearts who PMed me and gave me your great manly support (only a woman could truly appreciate it).
SECONDLY...I'm a "CAT" not a bird...and don't have feathers...my back rears up and my hair stands on end...and my claws come out...but, I smooth out very quickly...
ESPECIALLY when all of you are working so hard to smooth my 'fur' out. Thanx...
I do appreciate it.

The forum is not diff than any other online communique...lacking intonations, body-language, and "hurumphs" and "gauffahs"...

That said, I don't think anything needs to be done "in a timely fashion" on here. People have lives (we can only hope) and sometimes just don't get back to the subject when they'd like---or when they originally planned to.

Me? since January? Thank you for noticing. Actually, I had surgery January 24th...and didn't much feel like posting on the 'puter for a couple of months. Didn't feel like much of ANYTHING for a few weeks, actually. I'm just fine now...except, my eyesight. My glasses are very outdated and I'm getting a new exam next week. Until I get new 'peepers', I have a hard time reading the posts.

BY THE WAY;;; CANADIANS DON'T DISAPPEAR...they just go play HOCKEY!!!

PHOTOS? There are already a few photos on my photo site ... did you see them? I also have more to put on this next week.

INTERIOR DESIGN HELP???
My pleasure...anytime. I just answered a question from someone on The Forum, regarding my blinds last week. Asking where I got them....AND THEY HADN'T EVEN SEEN the bedroom blinds or the galley blinds.
Just wait till you see the Salon credenza. I think that's the coupe de gras of my work on Bear. So far.
I ran into a snag with the Aluminum T-Trim. Seems the outlet that I bought it from sold me 2 different patterns (& didn't even know they HAD 2 different ones); now I have to (have my worker) pull of all the trim off one of the dinette tables (the fold-out one?) and drive 40 miles to get the replacement and then get it re-installed. (And they said I should have noticed.. maybe they're right---but somehow it didn't occur to me to check it and it didn't show up until AFTER the 2 tables were being installed (their double hinge) together. Then it was VERY obvious.

THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING.

Anyhow...you GUYS...thank you for all your "smoothing" (of my fur)...and be assured, my constitution is tougher than you thought... but I'm glad to know you care.
.......The Cat is 'purring' now.

(FYI...I peeked at my 'rubrail'...and noticed the 'end rivets' that will have to be undone and done on the new. Thanx for that lesson.)

and I'm glad you enjoy my posts too--- I really enjoy The Forum...and again, any time you need some help with your interior design---I can give a lot of help 'gratis'.
hugs...
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Old 04-18-2003, 09:25 AM   #59
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Cats are so adorable and lovable, when they purr, and sometimes not so bad, when they don't.



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Old 07-15-2003, 01:48 AM   #60
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Hi Andy..

It's been awhile since I posted on this thread...since ANYONE did. I guess we ran it dry.
I've been away due to a "sport injury" to my knee. Lots of therapy---no time to post or even lurk.

My ?? ?? I scanned this thread...and found a place somewhere, where Andy (you said) something about there being "a few left" (the end caps to the rubrail pieces---to rivet through?)... Is that what you were referring to Andy?

If I count up the 'pairs' I'm going to need, will you have enough for a couple of us? How many is "a few"...?

Another member and I are going to split 3 rolls. Time's comin' up for doing this project.
.......Thanx in advance, for your post about these end-caps, Andy.
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Old 07-15-2003, 08:57 AM   #61
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End caps

Cat.

There are several different end caps. Some straight, some angled, some for the belt line, some for the rub rail.

Exactly which one or ones do you need along with the quantity?


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Old 07-16-2003, 08:43 PM   #62
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As the saying goes--I don't have a pony in this race--as the owner of a 1972 pre-plastic insert A/s, *BUT* I will mention one option you may want to consider.

West Marine has a nice selection of "rub rail" choices in various sizes and cross-sections which can be ordered by the foot and just might do the job.

If not, you might consider using some 3M colored tape--which comes in a spectrum of colors and is very durable. That's what I'm currently trying on my '72. It looks cleaner (to me) than painting and is a lot easier. Just peal and stick. The International "Flag" and logo still need to be painted. The vertical connector between the middle strips has to be painted as well. WestMarine sells this. For my trailer it takes 1/4" for the narrow stripes and 3/4" for the wider strips at the belt-line.

Those with Excellas and others with some type of wide tape applied directly to the aluminum in wide stripes may also find this material of interest. There are wider ones with a combination of coordinating colors. Again, see the WestMarine catalog. I'm impressed with their catalog--it's a real step-up from the typical RV world catalogs!

Andy may have been talking about something else, and I would hate to question "the guru", but I believe the strips were some type of vinyl tape as they came from the factory. There are still remnants underneath rivet heads. I also remember it pealing off our then new 1972 that my family owned when I was growing up...it probably lasted until about 1974!
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Old 07-16-2003, 09:06 PM   #63
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Blue paint was first used.

Blue tape followed and ended with the 1973 models. Reason. Did not hold up very well.

From 1974 on up, the rub rail and belt lines used an insert, blue, red, black and even gray on the motorhomes.

Argosy of course used orange insert.


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Decals

Andy, and friends...& "Doc".
This wide striped decal for the Excella is of interest to me.
1st of all, let me say that the previous owners of Bear, found the stuff found at West Marine, but only replaced about 1/4 of it...which gave it a 1/2 done look;
2nd, replacing 100% of it appeals to me more than doing the 3/4 part they didn't do.
That said, what I really want to do...
ANDY?
is remove ALL of it...and expose the aluminum under it...which will leave a tiny double aluminum raised edging with a tiny blue stripe between them (one of these above the wide decal,,,and another below it. This tiny stripe might be a pin stripe decal...but could be more of the vinylclad... Do you know Andy?

And, what do you think about removing all of the old decals and pin-striping? We tried removing a tiny bit of the newer decals...and it was relatively easy to remove...and revealed a beautifully shiney aluminum skin under it. (Would this have the protective coating on it? )
Wouldn't the protective coating be on all of it...even be under that 'double raised aluminum trim--top & bottom---with the tiny blue stripe between? Or maybe there's no way of knowing???

I'm going to take photos of all of this...it's best, especially for the "end caps".

And assuming all the decals are removed and no problems with the aluminum where they were...any suggestions for finishing that bare aluminum then? (if it has the protective seal on it...it wouldn't be "bare" would it?)
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Old 07-18-2003, 02:36 AM   #65
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Blue Rub Rail and Belt line

Cat,
I'm getting ready to order 200' of this 'blue insert' rub rail and belt line. The size that I need is approximately 11/16" wide. I will insert a pic. I think I wll have about 10' left over. I don't know if you could use it but I will have it if anyone needs it.

Andy,
Let me make sure that I am getting this straight. To properly install this blue insert, will I need to drill the rivets holding the end clips and then drill through the new insert and rerivet the insert and clip? What size rivets should I use? How much are the new blue clips? The ones on my 77' Argosy MH are res or orange. If it is cost effective, I might just replace instead of repaint. I have an 8" brown stripe between the two belt lines and I would like two repaint it black and white or black with a vinyl graphic. It has been repainted once before. Is there anything I should be aware of before I start this project?
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Old 07-19-2003, 02:19 AM   #66
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Darel,
I don't know if anyone is going to say anything about this...but it just occurred to me,,,that this is important...

you said:
>>Let me make sure that I am getting this straight. To properly install this blue insert, will I need to drill the rivets holding the end clips and then drill through the new insert and rerivet the insert and clip? What size rivets should I use?<<

ok...it is my thought that wherever there WAS a hole, and you are re-popping a new rivet into that hole---OR,,, you are making a new hole even...EITHER WAY..>>. shouldn't the hole be filled with "Vulkem" or "BoatCaulk"---something flexible (that won't crack in motion)---and something that won't dislodge from the hole...for the reason >> that any leaks will be prevented...?????????????
???????
-----------just a thought..!
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Installation P.S.

OR,

just you just choose a LARGER rivet than was previously used...so the rivet will be tight...and thus, not allowing any leaks.
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All of the inserts were held in place, at the ends, with a 1/8 inch pop rivet that also went through an end cap.

No need to use a larger rivet, unless you used a wrong size drill bit to start with.

All 1/8 pop and buck rivets are drilled out with a #30 drill bit, which is an oversize 1/8.

Sealing should not be necessary.


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Andy,
Thanx for that...
but don't you use the original rivet holes to shoot the new rivets into?

Which made me think the other day, >>> I won't need a lot of new end caps will I? b/c there'll be those end caps I'll be able to salvage off the old VinylClad...right?
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that brings to mind>>> what is the best way to remove the old rivet, in order to preserve the rivet hole...AND to try to salvage the end-caps?
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Paps' Humour

By the way,,,

PAPS

I never told you how clever and funny you are! >> re this---when we were talking (to death) about rubrails...and someone asked what the heck I was talking about...you said>>

>>
Rubrail Rik raw rubrail rubbed wrong.<<
HAHA
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