View Poll Results: What would Wally do with a "Rally Crasher"?
a) turn the non-rally participants away from all rally activities (risk being viewed as unfriendly) 1 1.82%
b) turn the non-rally participants away from all expensed activities (requiring a rally sheriff "bad guy") 16 29.09%
c) charge all rally attendees "extra" to accomodate the rally-crasher (not fair!) 0 0%
d) sell rally tickets onsite with an additonal surcharge (some risk involved) 28 50.91%
e) don't tell "the public" where the rally is going to be (not practical) 0 0%
f) other, please explain in post 12 21.82%
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Old 08-07-2006, 08:35 PM   #57
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well this is an interesting thread....

and timely too......

looks like the subject of moooooochers hits close to the bone...

and now, as i'm pointed toward colorado, i wonder...

should i go camping someplace else?

i've never been to a vac rally...
but i did go by the vac happy hour tent in salem...
and i did bring my own beer...and i didn't mooch food..
i did buy a VAC tee shirt...
and would have paid for a hat too...
but they were all 2 small!
the hats, not the people...
i don't even own an old beat up airstream anymore...

i have a newer beat up airstream!

but i really wanted to go to this dcvac event.
initially i was told one must be a member of wbcci AND vac to register or attend.

later i was told one only need be a member of wbcci...
on these very forums...

so i emailed and snail mailed my registration with $$...
website showed slots still open.

toooooooo late 'sorry we are full' i read a few days later...
we will put you on the waiting list...and will hold your check.

"how likely am i to get a spot" i asked...

'can't say' was the reply...nothing more...

perhaps....

'we always have cancellations and you are #3 on the list...so it's a good bet....' or some such thing...

(remember i don't on an old trailer anymore)

(last time i checked, website still declares...'must be a member or wbcci and vac)

so at that moment....just like the folks planning the event

i had to make my plans......
i could not just be on a waiting list...without plans..
otherwise i'd miss making reservations for 100s of other campgrounds...

see,
i wanted to go camping in august,
wanted to go to colorado for mtn biking,
wanted to meet some other airstreamers...as well!

so i called the campground and asked about reservations,
explained i had an airstream but WAS NOT part of the dcvac event.
'don't give me one of their sites i insisted'...
'just anywhere in the park is fine'...
so i made a reservation for several days before AND after the rally...
in other words i'd be in the same park longer than the rally times...

so now i'm going camping in creede!
and there will be airstreams there too!

almost immediately i emailed the dcvac rally folks
to let them know my plans and to take my name off the waiting list...
so someone else, can have my 'can't say' spot....

hey i'm goin' camping now in colorado in august...
and airstreams nearby...
sweet right?

over the next several weeks NO ONE from the dcvac unit contacted me...
to say hi or
hey, now that ya got a camping spot,
would ya like to come to our paid events?
there is food and prizes and party events!
and so on.

till now, till yesterday...
to let me know the meal ticket plan for 'rally-crashers'

i read shari's post here on this topic as sincerely written...

but anyone who has ever camped with or near me knows...
i'm generous with coffee, food, wine, shade, water and conversation...

so IF i don't call tomorrow and CANCEL my reservations...

here is my offer....

all of you dcvac folks, or airstream folks or mtn biking folks...

are welcome....

to eat my food, drink my wine or coffee, share my shade and just visit!

if i still go to crede, come on by, say hi. no name tags allowed!

i'll have more on this subject later...

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This almost makes me want to cancel the rally I am "hosting" or "leading" or what every it's called.
Many good points have been brought up and a little salt thrown around too (for some open wonds evidently). I have to go with option f) being hand out a sheet with what the unplanned attendee's can and can not do.

I am sooo happy that I opted for the potluck. I love my brats ! :P
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Old 08-07-2006, 09:32 PM   #61
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We should welcome any Airstreamer with open arms, especially if they aren't members of WBCCI!
Let them know how much they need to add to the kitty, and tell how happy you are to meet them.
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Freeloaders or Friends?...

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Ken ----------amen brother!!!!-------------pieman
Thanks Mike.

Since when did the friends we haven't met yet become freeloaders?

I am going to Creede because my wife and I felt more welcome at last year's Rocky Mountain VAC Rally than we ever felt before or since. I've been bragging about the friendly folks there who really know how to organize a rally. I would personally like to see the RV park full of Airstreamers just coming to take a peek at the wonderful old Airstreams and the nice people who own them. Sure they can't join us for the catered dinner, but I'd love to see them at the less structured events where the could throw some money in the kitty and join the party.
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Old 08-07-2006, 10:13 PM   #63
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Here's the scenario - You have planned a rally and it is 'sold out' at a limited number of campsites which was published from the get-go. This is primarily because that's all the number of sites the campground would allow you to have for the group.

After the rally "sold out" a waiting list was started, of which 7-8 additional trailers have been added to the rally as people dropped out...which always happens, even up to the last day. Everybody on the waiting list has been allowed to attend due to cancellations.

So here's the dilemma...you KNOW there are a couple of people planning on crashing the rally...there always is. They have made their own reservations with the campground directly. The planning committee has always welcomed the public and other campers to the Open House & no cost presentations, and plans on doing the same at this rally.

why should a rally-crasher get the rally for free?

So, any advice???

Shari


well i've now re read this thread...
and agree with mike lewis...
he is exactly correct...

if it's a prepaid, members only sort of thing...
just put up a sign indicating this.

i've got no problem with being given this information that way...

i want to believe the original intention of this thread was sincere,
but now that i've reread the opening post...
well...

it WAS edited several hours later....and after 17 replies in the thread.

hmmmmmm.

i certainly didn't expect anything for free.

if there is a specific person/persons that always do mooch...
why not just speak directly with them?

...i've got a theory
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the planning committee is inconvienenced, why shouldn't the drop-in be?

What incentive would there be to signing up ahead of time?

They obviously knew they were coming ahead of time...the campground sells out regularly, so if you don't have a reservation ahead of time, you don't get a site.

We have actually run out of food at caterered meals...

There were several known rally-crashers in attendance, and a couple of planning people went without, as we always eat last.

Why penalize the rally attendees by charging extra to cover the extra meals...for the non-planners?

Shari
well so here in is the problem...
someone has 'suffered' in the past, gone with a meal...yadda yadda.

see suffering always comes back....we hear about it, we are made to suffer somehow in return...

does it help?
no

so if you've got 'known rally crashers'....
why not focus on them?
are these numbers multiplying?
do they tell their friends..."lets crash the airstream rally"

please...

and who's a 'non-planner'?
it was my very need to PLAN that lead me to get my own site....

doesn't that make me a 'planner'...?

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I understand if it's by happenstance...what I'm talking about is the intentional crasher.

The person who says, I don't want to play by the rules, the rules don't apply to me...or the habitual rally hopper.

I have observed one rally-hopper in particular repeatedly show up to club rallies, ALWAYS un-registered, not a club member, always really, really hungry when it comes to potlucks and meals (to a point of taking filled plates back to their trailer for tomorrow), and yet never seems to contribute anything. They know exactly what they are doing.

How would you handle that?

Shari
ok now you're calling 'em hoppers.....i take that personally!

what i find interesting is your keen sense of observation...

how does one start out with the intent to watch who is eating and how much?

interesting really......

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Very interesting challenge. I have not participated in a Rally. I do not pretend to have any comments worthy of being taken as advice, so they are worth every penny you aren't paying for them. I certainly believe I understand any frustration that exists, and I do not condone the reward of an ungrateful, rude repeat offender.

It is true that every action an Airstreamer does reflects on the Brand and WBCCI. Every contact is a potential Airstream owner and/or WBCCI member, both of which benefit us all.

For those that have organized events before, what is the additional cost per paying trailer for including an additional set(s) of meals in the plan? Depending on the additional cost, there may be worth in over planning to ensure enough food for crashers.

What if we plan for crashers and they don't show, or they do show and pay for the food they consume? Why not build goodwill into each rally? If they offer to pay, let them contribute and use the extra as a donation to a local church or another option to which the group agrees. If crashers don't show and you have too much food, maybe there is an option for using the extra food to do a good deed.

I have noticed that many camping trips have someone in the park that is younger, or a large family, interesting couple, or in some other way someone deserving of kindness or friendliness. Maybe there is someone in the park that is a potential future Airstream owner, and this is your chance to make a positive impression.

Maybe donate extra food to a food shelf. Maybe work with the local church to donate a food basket to a family that is in need, maybe serve a Sunday "Meals on Wheels" to someone's elderly mother or father in need.

I'll share an example of goodwill that I will always remember. My wife and I (newlyweds at the time) were camping in a tent on a hot 4th of July weekend, and a friendly person in the campground shared his extra steak with us. These people welcomed us into their camper and made us feel as though we were worthy of kindness. Who doesn't want to feel that way. We left this campground thinking only about the best in humans. In this world today, that person gave us the gift of a rare mental oasis - hope. This is only one of many camping examples I can offer. I'm sure many of you have stories of your own.

Make no mistake, I agree with the philosophy of...
- Freeload once: "Welcome to the club."
- Freeload twice: "Glad to have you again, since the food is already paid for, are you interested in contributing to our charity donation?" "We'd love to contact you and let you know about our next rally, can we get your mailing or email address?" (of course knowing that the next mailing of rally information will include the cost of participation)
- Freeload a third time: "Great to see you again, the rally fee for this event is $__.__, we hope you'll decide to join us.)

We have so much, and life is too short to live in frustration of freeloading. Maybe there is a way to reframe the situation, and turn it into something that feels good.
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Shari, luv ...

1) Continue to knock on the doors of new Airstreamers with "Please come check us out; the only event I can't invite you to is the catered dinner because that was prepaid"
2) Turn away known freeloaders with "We can no longer accommodate latecomers"
3) Ignore the defenders of freeloaders below
4) Save a space for me at one of your rallies!
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I would hope someone in that circumstance would let the planners know ahead of time so they would know what to expect and plan accordingly.

This is NOT a Denver Unit issue, it's any rally...WBCCI, VAC, Forum, ???


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well shari i did let the planners know i had a reservation....
BECAUSE i wanted them to know i would be in the park...
not to mooch food.

any time some one declares.......
"this is not a (insert chapter) issue".....

it is exactly a "insert chapter" issue......

come on, you brought it up, it's your unit, so just own up to the issue.
that's not a bad thing really...and it's honest.
you folks aren't stupid...
did you really need a poll?
if so, the unit leadership is in trouble...

now looking at it from another POSITIVE perspective.....

if ya know people are coming who aren't 'official' why not...
-contact them and offer the rally package
-contact them and encourage vac affiliate membership
-contact them and explain the rally cost issues
-contact them and explain what they can or cannot attend?
-contact them period!

i completely understand the limited number of sites given to VAC,

so why not ENCOURAGE folks who are on the waiting list to get their own spots and EXPAND the rally? wouldn't that mean more total airstreamers?

well.....here's why.

the dcvac is on the hook for slots,
they know cancellations will happen,
they want a waiting list to fill the cancellations
so they aren't on the hook for slots anymore...

so who are the REAL DEADBEATS?
the >10% who cancelled?
or the folks who want to come so much, they secure their own site?

now that i think of it,
why isn't your poll about what to do with the "PEOPLE WHO CANCEL"

perhaps they should STILL pay the rally fee...22$ ???
i'll bet it is much easier to spot someone who "cancels" habitually...

i can assure you that had ANYONE with dcvac contacted me and asked...

would you like the 'rally package'....meals, drinks, prizes...for XXamount.

i would have paid for it gladly just to support the local unit...

and i don't even WANT your catered food!

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2air--what kind of wine do you serve ??? I hope not the cheap stuff!!What a great disortation !!!!!!!!----------------pieman
hi pieman.....

when the wine is free,
it is already cheap stuff, right?

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Since when did the friends we haven't met yet become freeloaders?

I am going to Creede because my wife and I felt more welcome at last year's Rocky Mountain VAC Rally than we ever felt before or since.

I've been bragging about the friendly folks there who really know how to organize a rally.

I would personally like to see the RV park full of Airstreamers just coming to take a peek at the wonderful old Airstreams and the nice people who own them.

Sure they can't join us for the catered dinner, but I'd love to see them at the less structured events where the could throw some money in the kitty and join the party.
well klevan....
you nailed it, this is my view too.

but there may be bigger issues at stake....like CONTROL!

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