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Old 11-28-2008, 10:57 PM   #15
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Why did you keep puttiing that spot over the employees face?
We flimed most of this footage a few months ago. We put the spot over the guys face because, some of the guys in the video no longer work there. We just did it as a curtesy to them.

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Old 11-28-2008, 11:12 PM   #16
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Well obviously Terry you and I read from a different dictionary.

'Made to fit' means something else to me.
That is exactly one of the reasons I am waiting on the vintage style that I 'think' I remember, but cannot yet find a good picture or example of.
One-size-fits-all may be fine in gimme caps but I want more from $350 dollar Airstream specialties.

If I was to find a used one at a price I liked, I would not expect it to fit exactly, and would adjust it as necessary.

I have learned to live with and can accept universality in many hidden parts and pieces of hardware, but appearance parts deserve better. Rockguards are definately high appearance IMHO.

How it fits, depends on how you install it.

Airstream cannot make a part such as a rockguard that could possibly fit exactly, no matter how you installed it.

After it's installed following the directions, it takes less than one (1) minute to adjust it.

The purpose of the adjustment is to make the gasket touch the shell in a positive way, so fluttering does not take place when in transit.

If you feel an exact fit must be made, then I hope you never make an attempt to replace a metal segment, because you will be in for a big surprise. Plus, todays segments cost far more than a rockguard.

Then you could maybe consider replacing a side sheet, too. They don't ever have any mounting holes, either, and, cost far more than segments.

Machined parts are a different story.

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Old 11-29-2008, 12:11 AM   #17
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We at the Out-of-Doors Mart would like to wish you and yours a Happy Thanksgiving and while your resting from eating all that turkey, please look at our new video.

It is on " How to install a one-piece Rockguard"

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Hi, Dan. I think this was a good basic video on installing a new rock guard, But in my opinion, I think a few things should have been done differently. Note: I have dial up internet so it took me about ten times as much time to watch your video. [slow motion] (1.) Remove old drilled out pop rivet heads from drill bit. (2.) Use a drill bit stopper [rubber hose] on drill bit; You don't need to drill two inches into sheet metal. (3.) Use rivets on rockguard channel to Airstream body instead of screws and use screws instead of pop rivets on the channel hinge ends. (4.) Use sealer on the support brackets mounted between the windows. (5.) Do not mount any one piece until all holes are drilled so you won't have drilled, metal particles, shaveings, in between the parts. My opinions are based on my experiences and the fact that I have installed many accessories on brand new cars [since 1968] where drilling allowed for zero mistakes. And I feel the five things that I just mentioned would make for a higher quality installation. And for the record, I have not drilled into mine or anyone elses Airstream. For what it's worth, these are my opinions.
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Old 11-29-2008, 05:26 AM   #18
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Dan:

I posted early about you guys doing another video. If you were to do another video what would you show us how to fix or replace? I hope you guys keep them coming. That is great advertising for your place. I never even knew you existed until that video. I live 10 minutes from camping time in Snellville Georgia and they just closed the store.

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Old 11-30-2008, 08:53 AM   #19
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Click here to see the video.

The video tried to start then I got a message "this video is no longer available
It seems to be working now. I have it on YouTube so that people can it via their web-browser.

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Old 12-01-2008, 10:42 AM   #20
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After some consideration,I decided to do as another member says "suck it up.spend the bucks,and do it right",today I ordered the new rock guard.I will tell my wife when it comes in.I mean what`s the point of knowing how to put it on ,if you don`t have one to put on.Dave
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Old 12-02-2008, 05:39 AM   #21
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How it fits, depends on how you install it.
Airstream cannot make a part such as a rockguard that could possibly fit exactly, no matter how you installed it.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

If you feel an exact fit must be made, then I hope you never make an attempt to replace a metal segment, because you will be in for a big surprise.
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There is no way anyone could say it better than the way Andy said it here. This overall concept applys to Windows, Sidesheets, Panels Segments, and a couple a hundred parts that I don't have space to list here. Airstream has worked hard on having parts made so they will be available. What is available is offten based on "how many differant years can be serviced from this one part." Often times these replacment parts will not fit as well as the original part. These little wings windows are one of these parts. Some times they fit pretty good and sometimes they don't. I have always been able to make one fit, but sometimes with a great test to my patients. NOT FINDING OUT IF THE REPLACEMENT WING WINDOW WILL BE AN EASY FIT ON YOUR UNIT, IS THE BEST WAY TO GO!

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Old 12-02-2008, 06:20 AM   #22
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wing windows. I have one that needs to be replaced. I am getting psyched to tackle this project next summer. Big Job. If I am correct on which window wing windows are which are in the front to the side then I have one that needs fixing. I have an interior window, but the exterior window is missing. I never realized it until this fall.

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wing windows. I have one that needs to be replaced. I am getting psyched to tackle this project next summer. Big Job. If I am correct on which window wing windows are which are in the front to the side then I have one that needs fixing. I have an interior window, but the exterior window is missing. I never realized it until this fall.

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Changing a wing window out, is an easy task, "IF" you do it correctly.

Let us know when your ready, and we will teach you how.

Takes about 2 to 2.5 hours to change it.

All you need for material is the wing window, a package of Olympic rivers (NO WASHERS) and a tube of Vulkem sealer, a # 21 and #30 drill bit, or a drill bit kit.

An air drill is best, but an electric drill works ok too.

You must save the 6 pack, until your done.

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Old 12-04-2008, 01:59 PM   #24
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As I posted earlier,I broke down and bought the rock guard Mon.&it came in yesterday,wow that was fast.Now I have something do do this weekend,and stay away from the honey-do list.Wonder if I can make it last 2 days.Dave
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Wonder if I can make it last 2 days.Dave
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With enough power-tools and beer, you can make it last all week long.



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There is no way anyone could say it better than the way Andy said it here. This overall concept applys to Windows, Sidesheets, Panels Segments, and a couple a hundred parts that I don't have space to list here. Airstream has worked hard on having parts made so they will be available. What is available is offten based on "how many differant years can be serviced from this one part." Often times these replacment parts will not fit as well as the original part. These little wings windows are one of these parts. Some times they fit pretty good and sometimes they don't. I have always been able to make one fit, but sometimes with a great test to my patients. NOT FINDING OUT IF THE REPLACEMENT WING WINDOW WILL BE AN EASY FIT ON YOUR UNIT, IS THE BEST WAY TO GO!

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Dan am I reading your statement correctly?
Are you saying that replacement wing windows of a particular part number are not all the same ? Don't they all come from the same source?
I understand Inland Andy's reply, but he did not include glass wing windows as parts that are "adjustable".
You would do the forum a favor by listing all "couple of hundred" parts that are just more-or-less "true-sized" (hit or miss might fits) . There's plenty of bandwidth.
I off hand cannot think of a part that more needs to be an accurate fit and facimile of the original than a fixed window.
It is a little hard to shave down a piece of formed (or flat) tempered glass don't ya know.
Are the replacement wing windows too wide? Too high? Too thick? for certain years. or too narrow or too short?
Or worst... case just randomly off and pot luck?
Are there written detailed instructions of what to do in each case?
Is there a disclaimer given before shipping ?
Do you accept them back if customer thinks they are too far off?
Return-Shipping at whose expense?
Re-stock charge?

And what do you mean by this statement ????
" NOT FINDING OUT IF THE REPLACEMENT WING WINDOW WILL BE AN EASY FIT ON YOUR UNIT, IS THE BEST WAY TO GO"
Is that a mis-print or a joke ???

BTW I am going to assume that side-sheets and segments, (unless they are undersized) could be trimmed to match the template of the removed one. Yes the rivet holes (which I assume are not pre-drilled) would be a task to make exact, but aluminum skin is trimmable.If in fact skins are sometimes shipped unworkably undersized without notice, then I consider that at worse a "bizness-crime" or at least a fully refundable mistake.

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I don't want to take away from Dan's rock guard video but I will follow up with a wing window comment for replacement. I would be ok with poly carbonate. If it works and it is functional it is all I am looking for.

Maybe we can Andy to get his Airstream folks out at Inland put together some vidoes on Do it yourself. Video's are great for the visual learner.

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Dan am I reading your statement correctly?
Are you saying that replacement wing windows of a particular part number are not all the same ? Don't they all come from the same source?
Airstream has them manufactured and are made for that particular year. Any window installed when the unit was first built has a better chance of fitting than one installed years later. The shapes can very...

Link to a 1969

link to a 1983

link to a 1988

They are not fun to replace.

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