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Old 03-30-2013, 05:45 PM   #61
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If you keep the pilot holes in line with the rivets, you'll be safe. The rivets don't go through the glass. That's what we did on ours and so far, so good.
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Old 03-30-2013, 07:54 PM   #62
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That is what I needed to know.

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Old 06-18-2013, 06:32 AM   #63
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I just pm'd nickcrowhurst asking for the thickness of the foam he used in between but just saw it was 1/2" and plain as day in his first post. I've reposted here so that others, after reading all these pages don't forget like I did that it was already mentioned.

thanks everyone, I love this idea and plan to find someone to make one for me too. any opinion of what hardware is best: lift a dot, snaps or thumb turns?
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Old 06-18-2013, 11:27 AM   #64
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Thumb turns are fastest on and off, safest. See post #25 above for a clear picture.


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Old 06-18-2013, 11:55 AM   #65
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247 stream, I've just received your email. Whichever you use for fasteners, they should be able to resist high winds and corrosion from spray from roads treated with chemicals. I therefore chose the same fasteners as used on the cockpit canopy of our sailing yacht. These have to cope with salt water spray and high winds, which is why I chose them. They are A4 grade stainless steel lift-a-dots. I can take them on and off in a few seconds. Probably 4 seconds to take one cover off, and ten seconds to put one on, but I have had plenty of practice in the past 12 years! Best wishes, from Nick.
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:53 PM   #66
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Latches for homemade rock guard

We just bought our first airstream, and argosy, this past week. I guess we were lucky to have made it home after a 4 hour drive without breaking out a front window, since we have no guards. However, we did have a shattered side window once home. Now that I've been really reading the forum, I see the need for a rock guard. We are going to have these made to save money. My husband doesn't like the idea of drilling two holes per latch for the thumb turn latches. What other latches would work? Plus, do these latches have to be ordered? We didn't see anything at Lowes that would work. Thanks!
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Old 06-30-2013, 07:24 PM   #67
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We just bought our first airstream, and argosy, this past week. I guess we were lucky to have made it home after a 4 hour drive without breaking out a front window, since we have no guards. However, we did have a shattered side window once home. Now that I've been really reading the forum, I see the need for a rock guard. We are going to have these made to save money. My husband doesn't like the idea of drilling two holes per latch for the thumb turn latches. What other latches would work? Plus, do these latches have to be ordered? We didn't see anything at Lowes that would work. Thanks!
The tried and proven, may cost more, but it's reputation stands out.

Guess work, is just that. It might and it might not work.

Those front windows cost almost $ 800.00 each, sitting in a box.

There is no way in the world that you can attach a 'rochguard" to the front, without a few holes.

That's just the way it is, especially for permanency.

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Old 07-03-2013, 10:37 PM   #68
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The thumb twist latches we used for our home made rock guard used only one hole each. We bought them at West Marine boating supply. They use a special drill bit that fits over the latch and rotates the whole thing to drive the screw in. They've worked like a charm.
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Old 07-04-2013, 09:11 AM   #69
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Do you have to have that special drill bit?
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Old 07-04-2013, 11:10 AM   #70
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We bought the same single screw post for our thumb turn hardware from sailrite. the instructions online say you can get the special drill bit or use an adjustable wrench.

Common Sense Fastener Cloth-to-Surface Complete With 5/8" Screw Stud

We also bought 5/8" foam padding made by alps from here

Alps Mountaineering Foam Mat XL 625 Grey 7554011.

I'll be using a heavy duty marine canvas. Initially we thought to go with marine vinyl but then thought if a rock did hit that, it would likely nick the vinyl layer and then not look good.

Now I'm just waiting for my upholsterer to come make a template of my windows and then sew it up. Our plan is for the 2 side windows like Nickcrowhurst had made. Hopefully I will be proudly displaying my new protectors within 2 weeks.

(argh, I now see that sailrites turns aren't SS...thankfully I have a local west marine store)
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Old 07-23-2013, 04:13 PM   #71
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ugh, i'm SO disappointed. the person I chose to sew our covers personally made the template (he preferred it that way) and they didn't fit, by a lot! they also didn't look in the least professional, they looked worse than what I could have sewn myself! sigh I'll never get to take my baby camping but my windows are too important to risk it. guess i'll be cancelling my a/c installation set for next week. i'll never be able to get the foam replaced that quickly. sigh
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Old 07-23-2013, 07:31 PM   #72
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You should have used a canvas maker. An upholsterer is not the same thing, as you've learned now.


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Old 07-24-2013, 06:12 AM   #73
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Well I used the term upholsterer for lack of a better name but the person makes boat covers, boat seats etc so I thought I was getting someone who knew what they were doing.

canvas maker pulls up people who make awnings which I wouldn't think would have been better than a boat upholstery shop. oh well, doesn't much matter what word you use if they don't do it right, the first time.

(I should mention he was very willing and interested in remaking the covers but I declined.)

back to the drawing board and this sewer will do the job now.
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Old 07-24-2013, 08:18 AM   #74
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Most of my projects are complete now and we have started using the trailer a bit.

I'm also in Atlanta area and need to do this. I think some of the sail makers who are out in Buford/Lake Lanier area may do a good job with this. They know how to work with curves in cloth.

Do you know if the windows on the 24 are the same size as an Argosy 26? Maybe we can get a two person discount.

PM me if you have any ideas,

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Old 07-24-2013, 08:29 AM   #75
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The wrap-around pano windows are the same size on all trailers, even brand new ones and even on rear windows. The difference is that you can't get new ives that are clear.
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Old 07-24-2013, 09:24 AM   #76
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I've pm'd mtbguy and discussed my disgust (couldn't resist that ) of this project and trying to find someone else and the wait etc. to let him know i'm gonna sew my own. I was hoping to avoid having to do it as I hate to sew but once again I was proven that if I want something done right (or my way, whichever works haha) I have to do it myself. i'm hoping all my supplies will be here for me to sew something up this weekend. when I manage to finish them I'll certainly show pics and if it's not too horrible a job I may even consider making them for others, that of course is dependent upon if I do them right, according to them!
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Old 07-26-2013, 12:22 PM   #77
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Making covers for a curved window out of something as sunproof but as unforgiving as Sunbrella is a bit of a trick. I made ours but with a place for adjustability. (ok, ok, I made them and they came out too tight, so I changed the design). Our tan front cover now sports snazzy, bright blue bodice lacing up the center. The color coordinates with the bright blue I used for the applique eyes (Egyptian Eyes of Horus) and serves to make a sort of "nose" on the face of the front of the trailer. The stiff floor cushions I used for padding (removable, in pockets on the back) give it a smooth, flat appearance.

Before we got this finished, we used gaffer tape around the edges of each curved side window to hold on the pieces of old thermarest camping pad that we'd cut to fit. It wasn't pretty, but it got us safely to the Grand Canyon and other wonderful trips.

If I had it to over, I'd set up the sewing machine as close to the trailer as possible and take time to do a preliminary baste up with the final padding in the cover before committing to the final seams around the outside edge. This wouldn't have been possible in our case since we didn't know the "right" padding (we were using the old camping pad pieces) until we talked to someone on one at an Airstream rally. He had the opposite problem: the right padding but no idea of how to hold it on. We had the holder but no idea of the right padding.

I'll get an entry up on our blog today with more detailed pictures.
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Old 07-27-2013, 07:41 AM   #78
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The PAIN-O Windows!

I sympathize with anyone tackling the project. I am a former sewing and clothing design teacher/costume maker and this project is not for sissies. I will be sewing my window covers in the next month or so. First I made a paper pattern, then I sewed a trial cover first before the sunbrella final product. I will be covering the entire windows- not just the sides, and I already fitted the paper pattern to the windows. One of the tricky parts is the middle flat window, at the top-- it has the ledge which is a huge pain to deal with. I will post pictures of the project when I am done. My husband is not looking forward to attaching all the fasteners either. Here you see the cheap fabric trial cover sewn from the paper pattern, and checking to see that I had enough trim for the edges. You can also see the ledge that makes things tricky at the top. Good Luck!

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Well I just finished sewing my window protectors. This outdoor fabric started out as the trial run fabric but I think they came out looking so nice I may just keep them. I can always sew another set later on down the road. One thought I had was that if I get plain cream colored fabric (which was the original plan) all the bugs are gonna show up very nicely on the fabric and I didn't want to deal with that. I have Velcro on the outer edges (on the sides of the trailer) to be able to remove the camping pad to wash the covers when needed. We used 4 'thumb turns' and the fabric is laying flush up against the trailer nicely so we don't think more will be needed. I have to say for my trial run they came out great but I'm not ready to tackle another set so for now, they stay.

Making the template/pattern was pretty straight forward, no problems there and I actually found the sewing to be the easiest part of this project. The biggest issue I had was in setting the grommets used with the thumb turn hardware...trying to get the short 'spikes' through the multiple layers of fabric and lining up the holes in the front to the back of the fabric for the grommets to go through without ripping/fraying the fabric.

Hubby was responsible for installing the thumb turn screw studs and once he used a regular screw to get the threading in the metal he said installing the actual stud was easy. (the first stud broke when he tried to use it to open the predrilled hole without making the predrilled hole larger to begin with)
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I have been watching and reading everyones trials and efforts in making clothe window protectors, usually using some foam material covered with fabric. I suspect the finished product is about 1" thick , maybe a little more.

One question I have is whether this material will actually protect the window from being broken when hit by a rock? What experiences has anyone had with this?

I sincerely respect everyones efforts and skills but does this really work?

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