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Does anyone here have the 23' or 25' Safari without the dinette? I'm a few years out from buying, but plan to buy a newer used model (probably), and have my eye on the 2008 25' Safari SE. I honestly would rather have the cushy couch, credenza and fold-out table along with a bit more floor space than a dinette. I rarely use my kitchen table in my house, where space is not at a premium! I plan to full-time in my Airstream (travel nursing) with my dog and cats (and possibly the boyfriend). No kids, but the dog is a Newfoundland mix, so we'd BOTH appreciate the floor space.
Does anyone have any feedback on this floor plan? Got it but wish you had a dinette? Have a dinette and wish you had the lounge area? Is this particular floor plan popular or harder to find--meaning, will I have trouble locating a used one in two or three years?
Another question--is Airstream planning to continue the SE models? I love the aluminum interior but do not love the dark laminate of the Internationals, or the beach theme of the Ocean Breeze (cute but not my style). The panoramic windows seem pretty spectacular, too.
Thank you, and feel free to pipe up with any advice or opinions, I'd love to hear them!
We have an '05 25FB that we have spent over 225 nights in. We really like this floorplan. We also looked closely at and seriously considered the lounge model before buying our sweet Lucy. The major consideration was the bed situation. The corner bed in the lounge model would not work well for us. We really like the queen bed in our FB (the FB twin bed model would also work). The FB gives the feel of a larger tailer with a separate bedrrom. We find it quite comfortable to relax in Lucy's dinette area. We work on the computer and watch television there. We also like the FB because the dinette is at the back of the trailer, and when you have a nice campsite view, you can enjoy it from where you are actually sitting.
We are not big fans of the panoramic windows. We don't think that the improved view is worth the extra cost or the heat transfer in hot weather.
__________________ SuEllyn & Brian McCabe WBCCI #3628 --- AIR #14872 2005 25' Safari FB (Lucy) with HAHA 2005 Suburban 2500 4x4x4 (Olivia)
We have the '04 version of of the 25'SE without the dinette. Never once have we missed the dinette. It is a great layout for two (or one with large dog!) The table sets up easily. We carry a couple of Ikea folding chairs behind the sofa that we bring out when we have the grandchildren along. That enables all four of us to sit around the table. Also with a cushion thrown onto the seat of one of those chairs--voila, a footstool! For awhile we really wanted a FB model, but have since installed solar and a lot of upgrades. Therefore this Airstream will be ours for some time to come.
We have spent 3 months (Alaska trip) in the Airstream at one time and are about to embark on a five month (another Alaska trip) journey. If this floorplan didn't work for us, we would be throwing things at each other by now!
We had a 23' that had the lounge and the lounge and pull out table were fine. We travelled 10,000 miles with that model before we traded for, what we consider perfect, 25' FB SE. The bath and corner bed in the 23' did not work for us.
We use the dinette all the time. It's a personal choice, each is different. I know folks that bought without one and then on the next run, made sure it was there. We play cards, games, eat, and use it as a bed (folded down).
It's a very useful piece IMHO, but I can totally understand and respect those that don't care for it.
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The 25' A/B SE was introduced in the 2008 model year (was just a regular Safari or Classic in previous years) and is currently our favorite floor plan. Unfortunately, the 25' A/B will not be included in the 2009 Flying Cloud (Safari SE) product line. I know there are only about 12 or so left on the market and only about another 15 or so were ever produced. I would suggest if you are truly interested in owning a 25' A/B SE, grab one now before they are all gone.
The 25' A/B SE was introduced in the 2008 model year (was just a regular Safari or Classic in previous years) and is currently our favorite floor plan. Unfortunately, the 25' A/B will not be included in the 2009 Flying Cloud (Safari SE) product line. I know there are only about 12 or so left on the market and only about another 15 or so were ever produced. I would suggest if you are truly interested in owning a 25' A/B SE, grab one now before they are all gone.
Thank you, Patrick--thanks everyone!
I'm currently a full-time nursing student, and unfortunately won't have the income to purchase my Airstream until 2010. Meanwhile I'm learning, saving, learning, planning, and everything that I learn confirms that an Airstream is what I want to live in, so these aren't idle questions, I promise!
Patrick, a few more things--are the A/B versions going to be available on future models in other lengths? The 23' is a wee bit tight for full-timing, I think (for me and the beasts, at least), but I don't believe that I want to move past a 27'. Foiled Again (I think it was she) had some great points about fulltiming in those length models. If the boyfriend comes along, a bigger unit will be necessary.
The Safari SE will be Flying Cloud from 2009 on? Nifty. Will it maintain the aluminum interior and panoramic windows? (Great point on the windows, moosetags). Anything else that it will have that is different? How about that great rear bathroom? Will ANY model, Safari or otherwise, have that rear bath, and if so, can you ditch the dinette in it?
While we're at it, what can you say about new stuff in 2009 models in general?
The Safari A/B Se is the floor plan with the Front Sofa, Flip-Up Dinette table, Center Bath and Rear Bedroom. The A is the twin bed floor plan and the B is the Queen.
(Fiamma) Sorry, Airstream has not officially released the 2009 model year information yet, but the A/B Floor plan will not be available from Airstream in 2009 and the SE model will be renamed to the Flying Cloud with some minor updates etc.
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Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq and millions of others are by far the most popular with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form. -NY Times 1991
Thank you for the information that you have been able to share, it's very helpful! Love that the Flying Cloud is coming back as the SE. I am surprised that the A/B option isn't being continued--one can hope that they'll change that for 2010. The FB and rear bath in the Safari are great additions, though, and one can't have everything.
I do hope that they offer that Safari Sport rear bath in bigger Safari/Flying Cloud models, it's a really lovely feature. I've been drooling over pics on your website.
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