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02-10-2010, 01:35 PM
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4 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
Fort Walton Beach
, Florida
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 478
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Acting More Like a Harley Everyday
Stuff continues to break, fall off, or quit working.....all due to poor craftsmanship or materials. This AM, as we returned from our morning exercise, I noticed something dangling from the side of the Airstream......another piece of the rubrail. Trailer has not been moved since last month's Canopener.....just sitting there winterized......and, it decides to fall off! I have already reattached some pieces, and replaced others that were completely missing, with double-sided 3M tape.....appears I have more work to do. It is really bad when the neighbors (who know how much you paid for this thing), remark "Oh, there is something hanging off the side of your trailer." And, then you have to make up an excuse about maybe snagging it on your last trip.....because you're too embarassed to tell them "it just fell off."
It really does remind me of our other adventure with an "American Icon." After six years of riding a Harley Road King over 36k miles, we had invested $27k in that bike......sold it for $13k. Some of the monies spent were on doo-dads, but quite a bit was for fixing engineering mistakes and replacing stuff that "just fell off."
I'm beginning to believe that "icons" are really meant to be "driveway jewelry" or "yard art"........not for everyday use.
BTW, the wife still has a nice Harley jacket (Med), if anyone is interested.
Ron
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02-10-2010, 02:15 PM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 19,977
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Ron,
Not that it's any consolation....your not alone.
I've been at it since 2003 with our Classic, seems it never ends, discouraging that so little has been done to improve QC.
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02-10-2010, 04:14 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2005 25' Classic
Pelham
, New Hampshire
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 445
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Your not alone
I didn't have trouble with things falling off but I have had to pull all the rugs out of my 2005 because of leaks and I took it back to the dealer many times....after a while I just gave up and tore out everything, removed the rugs then made sure nothing was leaking anymore before I put in Pergo flooring from front to back. I also put vent covers on and bought a portable garage so it doesn't sit out in the rain all the time. I wish people were more honest about the quality issues. Seems to me 5th wheels and motor homes are better made. O well, I paid too much to get rid of it now. Just have to keep it covered. Some day when it stops depreciating it may be worth selling. Time will tell. Good luck.
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02-10-2010, 06:11 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 25' Classic
Hydes
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 713
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Love and sometimes hate it. Reminds me of Range Rovers, expensive and always in for repairs.
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02-10-2010, 07:54 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1993 30' Excella
Lakeland
, Florida
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 343
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That is disheartning , is that a word?, have you had someone in the trailer to see if there is a vibration at 55 to 60mph? A tire out of balance or out of round will beat up your trailer pretty good. MY Harley Ultra had stuff falling apart until 11,000 miles then from then to 24,000 it was fine, all in a year and a half, I got lucky paid $18,000 as a 10 mo old factory bike and sold for $18,000.
John
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02-10-2010, 08:12 PM
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moderator
Commercial Member
2016 27' International
Currently Looking...
Wilton
, California
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,711
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bobandcarla
I didn't have trouble with things falling off but I have had to pull all the rugs out of my 2005 because of leaks and I took it back to the dealer many times....after a while I just gave up and tore out everything, removed the rugs then made sure nothing was leaking anymore before I put in Pergo flooring from front to back. I also put vent covers on and bought a portable garage so it doesn't sit out in the rain all the time. I wish people were more honest about the quality issues. Seems to me 5th wheels and motor homes are better made. O well, I paid too much to get rid of it now. Just have to keep it covered. Some day when it stops depreciating it may be worth selling. Time will tell. Good luck.
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Exactly what I did. I just assume it leaks even after sealing the whole thing up and spending hours on her. I bought a portable garage and when it rains I dont have to worry...
Too bad really because i used to think they were an all weather trailer and maybe they are.. I just worry less about it now.
Vin
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02-13-2010, 08:21 AM
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Rivet Master
2018 27' Flying Cloud
Panama City Beach
, Florida
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 612
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Ron, my Dad had the same problem. The chrome-look vinyl "rubrail" strip fell off one day in his driveway (just like yours). His trailer is a 2008. I believe the two-sided tape Airstream used to attach that strip was defective. Airstream mailed him a new vinyl strip (under warranty) and he had a professional auto accessories place where he lives (no A/S dealer near) attach the new one with strong two-sided tape. If you don't reattach the old one fairly soon, the length shrinks so you will need a new one. You'd think A/S would upgrade their tape and maybe they have. I haven't had anything fall off my trailer yet.
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2018 Flying Cloud 27'
2012 F250 Powerstroke 6.7
AIR#24440 WBCCI#11740
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02-13-2010, 08:42 AM
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Retired.
Currently Looking...
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, At Large
Join Date: Jun 2003
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In this instance, I'm thinking the rub rail shouldn't have an insert at all. We've had problems with the rub rail insert on our '74 (shrinks, cracks, falls off), and I'm beginning to think they should go back to making rub rail without any insert at all. We have friends with a '73 (never had insert), and they have necer had the problem with it falling off.
The definition of insanity is to repeat the same activity over and over, and expecting different results.
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02-13-2010, 08:50 AM
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4 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
Weldon Spring
, Missouri
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 463
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I solved that annoying problem by putting a rivit through the end of each strip.....it's barely noticeable.
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02-13-2010, 09:20 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 19,977
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckyducks
Ron, my Dad had the same problem. The chrome-look vinyl "rubrail" strip fell off one day in his driveway (just like yours). His trailer is a 2008. I believe the two-sided tape Airstream used to attach that strip was defective. Airstream mailed him a new vinyl strip (under warranty) and he had a professional auto accessories place where he lives (no A/S dealer near) attach the new one with strong two-sided tape. If you don't reattach the old one fairly soon, the length shrinks so you will need a new one. You'd think A/S would upgrade their tape and maybe they have. I haven't had anything fall off my trailer yet.
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Had the exact same problem with our Classic two Seasons ago. The "chrome" was still in very good condition so I decided to give a cheeeper solution a try.
Used this for the repair, important to get all the old adhesive tape off and clean very well with mineral spirits. So far the repair has held up well.
Used the same product on the belt moulding where it started to come apart.
POI...if you use the double sided tape 3M is the best.
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02-13-2010, 09:20 AM
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Silver Sneaker
2006 16' Safari
Denver
, Colorado
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 87
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I've noticed over the years that "rubber" strips on anything tend to shrink. I wonder if just removing it isn't the best idea? Probably won't work because the "rubber" is covering some fasteners. Just an idea, good luck.
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02-28-2010, 03:03 PM
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Islander
2005 28' International CCD
Deer Harbor
, ORCAS ISLAND WA
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 981
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mine's a dream
25000 miles down the raod and my 2008 safari se 25FB is nutin but a dream
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02-28-2010, 04:50 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1963 28' Ambassador
Smiths Grove
, Kentucky
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 406
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Wondering....
It is interesting to read the threads that deal with quality control, most complaints seem to come from owners of 2000 and up models. So, is it a change in quality and materials from the 90's? Because these people paid so much so recently? There are a lot more 2000's owners on the forum? The 90's owners were complaining 10 years ago? I ask this not to create a stir but as I consider the purchase of a newer trailer in the future. Should I be looking for a lightly used 90's model and avoid the 2000's? I am sorry to hear about all the troubles that you guys are having with such expensive investments.
63silver
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02-28-2010, 05:03 PM
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Rivet Master
1992 29' Excella
Currently Looking...
JOY IN
, Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 650
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Airstream inc. is killing the golden goose.I was looking for a 80k Airstream,guess what . I will buy a older model , remodeled and save my money. I am a big winner ,big loser airstream inc. PSS. Thanks all for saveing me from a new poorly made airstream trailer.
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02-28-2010, 06:00 PM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 19,977
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Quote:
Originally Posted by firedog
Airstream inc. is killing the golden goose.I was looking for a 80k Airstream,guess what . I will buy a older model , remodeled and save my money. I am a big winner ,big loser airstream inc. PSS. Thanks all for saveing me from a new poorly made airstream trailer.
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Yeah....if our 03 Classic was four sale today and I was in the market....I'd buy it myself.
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02-28-2010, 09:33 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 25' Safari
Salem
, Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 8,367
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You probably already know this, but.......
Hi, I was going to say to the original poster that when using 3M double sided tape; Do not use the white tape with the white and green paper, it isn't good for outside and wet areas. Use the one pictured in the link posted by ROBERT CROSS, it is dark gray or black wrapped in a red plastic. This is only double sided tape I use.
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"Le Petit Chateau Argent" Small Silver Castle
2000 Navigator / 2014 F-150 Eco-Boost / Equal-i-zer / P-3
YAMAHA 2400 / AIR #12144
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02-28-2010, 09:38 PM
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Rivet Master
2018 30' Classic
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 666
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Same problem, we used 3M emblem adhesive. Fixed her right up.
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03-01-2010, 06:14 AM
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Moderator
2006 19' International CCD
Olathe
, Kansas
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 4,224
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I am also a new AS owner but I bought mine used. I looked at high end sobs and I can tell you AS does a better job. I wouldn't even consider buying a used sob! They looked worn out after two years. My parents had a Holiday Rambler @ 160,000 used snd had many issues with it. But still had a great time with it. I do belive in buying used. Less money and someone else delt with the qc issues while under warrenty. But AS does need to address the qc issues. These things cost way to much to have such problems. Anyway I will take it in stride sine I didn't have to sell any organs to pay for my 2006 Bambi.
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03-01-2010, 06:58 AM
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3 Rivet Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 247
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thanks for this thread as the tips really do help we have one of the first 2010s 19' bambi and i too expected better quality for the price as well as a good delivery of the unit. not so. it is definitely about recovering from the reality and the advise and tips help this new as owner.
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03-01-2010, 08:06 AM
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A.K.A "THE STREAM"
2010 25' FB International
Arlington
, Texas
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,308
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Quote:
Originally Posted by firedog
Airstream inc. is killing the golden goose.I was looking for a 80k Airstream,guess what . I will buy a older model , remodeled and save my money. I am a big winner ,big loser airstream inc. PSS. Thanks all for saveing me from a new poorly made airstream trailer.
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Well I jumped in line behind you and helped out Airstream and bought the NEW one. Mine is awesome and has that new Car smell. I love it and wouldn't do it any other way......Pure Bliss!
Shane
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