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Old 04-17-2013, 10:37 PM   #57
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So I just discovered that the wheel bearings on my 2010 27 Flying Cloud are permanently sealed with grease. Not sure this is a good thing. Has anybody had experiences good or bad with this? Thanks
Would like to hear more about the question of the original post.

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Old 04-17-2013, 11:10 PM   #58
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I do not want to continue to argue this point, but Andy's statement was "Doing a major brake job, which includes packing the bearings, for a tandem, takes 2.5 hours of time,plus parts." Figure that out-that is .625hrs/wheel by ANYBODY'S time clock. Even if someone else brings the trailer in-it still can not be done.

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Hi, a major brake job includes cleaning all parts and lubing contact points; Also machining the drums. [both the shoe surface and the magnet surface] This all takes time. Slipping pads/shoes is not considered a major brake job in my books. Finding a shop that could properly machine my drums was the hard part. I know for a fact that my brake job and bearing repack was done correctly. [by me] I would have arced the shoes too if the shoe grinder wasn't still illegal to have and use.
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Old 04-18-2013, 04:52 AM   #59
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I stand by what I said. Time at the shop starts when you go to get the trailer- not when the traile r is in the air
I wrote the Airstream crash book in 1970, and was used by all the dealers in the USA.

A major brake does not include machining the drums.

It takes us less than 2 minutes to bring a trailer in.

That 2 1/2 hour charge, was used by us for over 25 years.

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Old 04-18-2013, 06:10 AM   #60
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I do not want to continue to argue this point, but Andy's statement was "Doing a major brake job, which includes packing the bearings, for a tandem, takes 2.5 hours of time,plus parts." Figure that out-that is .625hrs/wheel by ANYBODY'S time clock. Even if someone else brings the trailer in-it still can not be done.

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I believe it can be done. In fact, a friend helped me do ours, and he builds hot rod cars for a living (his retirement job, actually). He is insanely fast at repacking bearings. It was amazing. I didn't time it, but I wouldn't be surprised if we spent less than 40 minutes on each wheel. Yes, there were two of us, but I was just learning and most of the time slowing him down.
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Old 04-18-2013, 07:56 AM   #61
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So I just discovered that the wheel bearings on my 2010 27 Flying Cloud are permanently sealed with grease. Not sure this is a good thing. Has anybody had experiences good or bad with this? Thanks
Since I bought our trailer used, of course with no knowledge of how many actual miles it was towed, I really don't know for sure how many miles the Nev-r-lube bearings have on them.

However, I have towed it about 7500 miles, best I can calculate. When I got the trailer it was equipped with Goodyear Marathon tires, which I estimate had a minimum of 15000 miles wear on them (I know, not accurate, but the best I can do), so I'm estimating above 20,000 miles on the bearings. No troubles to date.

Now it would be interesting to hear from ANYONE but the nay-sayers that stand to make money from servicing the older style bearings, who has actually had troubles with these Nev-r-lube bearings.
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How time is spent on any givien job, varies all over the place, depending on "how" the work is done and the shop itself.

When doing a "major brake" how a shop does the job, step by step, makes all the difference.

Basically, using 2 floors jacks, gets the trailer in the air quickly.

Then using air tools certainly speeds the process of removing the wheels.

Bearings can be cleaned by hand, or in far less time with a degreasing tub.

Then the bearings are packed with a pressure packer, and not by hand.

Replacing the grease seals is always a given.

A single axle took 1.5 hours and a tandem 2.5 hours.

Balancing the running gear with the snap-on balancer took .3 hours per hub drum and wheel as an assembly.

When time cards are used on a daily basis for every different job, or task, then it becomes very easy to determine the relative efficiency of the mechanic, and the overall operation.

But, if one choose to start the time when they begin to write the repair order, and end it after the money is collected, for the work done, then that changes the picture.

Treating service customers fair and square, doing top level work, and with a reasonable labor rate, builds a reputation for any shop that will quickly grow.

The horsing around and chit chatting etc., is time a customer should not, in fairness, be asked to pay.

The individuals that work that way, would be very upset paying a bill for work done on their own tow vehicle or RV, by others that had such a work ethic.

Being fair and square, along with honesty, does wonders for any shop that sells parts and labor.

Ask any shop owner who operates that way.

The right tools, the right employees, the right attitude, the right prices for parts and labor, all to many times these days, could stand considerable improvement by all too many shops.

Charging a customer over $ 100.00 per hour for labor and then paying a mechanic $15.00 to $20.00 dollars per hour, usually annouces inefficiency, in the whole operation.

A top charge for labor, should be met with top notch servicing, which includes time, and not any gimmicks.

Operating an RV shop or training people to properly do it, for 47 years, does have it's rewards.

The basic work ethic in the USA today, couldn't compare to 20 to 30 years ago.

"WORK" today, has become another nasty 4 letter word, for all to many.

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Since I bought our trailer used, of course with no knowledge of how many actual miles it was towed, I really don't know for sure how many miles the Nev-r-lube bearings have on them.

However, I have towed it about 7500 miles, best I can calculate. When I got the trailer it was equipped with Goodyear Marathon tires, which I estimate had a minimum of 15000 miles wear on them (I know, not accurate, but the best I can do), so I'm estimating above 20,000 miles on the bearings. No troubles to date.

Now it would be interesting to hear from ANYONE but the nay-sayers that stand to make money from servicing the older style bearings, who has actually had troubles with these Nev-r-lube bearings.
Steve, it's not a fact of having trouble with the Nev-r-lubes, but it is a fact that because of them, most owners forget about the brake condition.

That in itself, causes considerable expense when the brakes are totally shot as well as having the drums severely scored necessitating replacement, because they were not serviced as they should have been.

Perhaps some would say that the "positive" on one side causes a "negative" on the other side.

I for one, having a shop, see the positives and negatives including having to special order running gear parts that no one stocks, whenever a Nev-r-lube drum has been ruined because the owners are lured into thinking that the complete running gear lasts 100,000 miles as well as the bearings.

On the other hand, if the brake system gets the proper attention, then that changes the negatives into positives as well. Then, everyone is happy.

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Old 04-18-2013, 09:27 AM   #64
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I just finished replacing axles w. axis never lube on my 76 31 Sov. axles were about 50% bad, brakes in good shape as were shoes, I do not ride brakes & down shift down hill {auto trans.} lots of miles no prob. of any kind just sens. driving
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Terry,

My experience on the automotive side is a bit different....I've replaced many "sealed" bearings at less than 50k. And quite a few required a spindle also.

Granted that may or may not apply to our trailer's, but a changeover is not planned for ours.

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Bob, I wonder if that has something to do with environment. Road salt can wreack havoc on a lot of things, especially "underneath" stuff.
I think the last vehicle with sealed wheel bearings I had to replace the bearings on was a late 1990's era 4x4 Chevy pickup that had spent most of its life in Maine.
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Bob, I wonder if that has something to do with environment. Road salt can wreack havoc on a lot of things, especially "underneath" stuff.
I think the last vehicle with sealed wheel bearings I had to replace the bearings on was a late 1990's era 4x4 Chevy pickup that had spent most of its life in Maine.
Terry,

Exactly....I attempted an explanation in a previous post.

As a service advisor at a Chevy Store I can't recall how many "straight time" technician punches I had to authorize on warranty repairs. As soon as a tech ran into a problem not included in the "book time" he would punch out on the flat rate time and punch back in on straight time. After the concern was resolved, he would punch off the ST and punch back in on the book time. ST time would be added to the total for the job with approval from GM before the job was submitted for payment.

The same basic procedure was followed on customer pay. With the exception that the customer would be called as soon as the ST was punched. They would be advised of the specific problem, given an estimate of the added cost and given the new total.
Keeping the customer advised is the most important factor in avoiding unwanted surprises at pick-up.

The way I was taught and the only way to stay sane as a service adviser.

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Hi, a "Major Brake Job" on a motor vehicle includes replacing all linings, machining all drums and/or rotors, lubing contact points, Cleaning everything, rebuilding all hydraulics, checking and adjusting all mechanical parts. Certain things don't apply to trailers, but machining drums and rotors does. Shops that don't do it either replace parts that could and should be machined, don't have the knowledge or equiptment to do it, or don't want to spend the time it takes to do it right. My local Airstream Service Center referred me to a machine shop who does machine trailer drums.
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Does anybody know of a video available for changing out the Neverlube bearings?
I'd like to see what all is involved.
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Does anybody know of a video available for changing out the Neverlube bearings?
I'd like to see what all is involved.
They need to be pressed out/in, if you have an arbor press handy.
Some auto parts stores offer that service.

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Bob,
I see from what you said that it's not something I'll be able to tackle while on the road.
My plan, in case one went bad while traveling, I could remove that tire and wheel and hop along to the nearest town on 3 wheels.
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