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Old 05-26-2016, 08:00 AM   #15
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This might be a stupid question (but someone once told me the only stupid question was the one unasked). Am I correct in would assuming that if Centramatics are installed there is no need to have the wheels balanced when new tires are mounted?

Another question, $200 plus shipping is rather expensive (not debating the merits of having your wheels balanced). Are there any other options on the market other than the traditional lead weights?

Thanks for indulging me!
We are using the DynaBeads. Have used them for the past 6 yrs. They seam to be working since there is no movement of anything inside the trailer when on the road and the tires also look great.
I would still have the tires balanced no matter what is used.
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Old 05-26-2016, 09:00 AM   #16
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Has anyone checked with Airstream or Dexter about the zero offset specification on the Nev-R-Lube bearings?

Specifics would be whether there is an engineering tolerance (ie., "zero equals .001-.004" or some such) that would allow installation of the Centramatics balancer on drums with these bearings.
Some time ago a Dexter rep was quoted in WBCCI magazine (I think that's where it was) that nothing should be installed to change the zero wheel offset requirement of the Nev-R-Lube bearings. That has kept from considering the Centramatics; we want no increased risk of bearing failure. We see no balance problems with our 16" Michelin tires, so I'm not convinced we need to spend the money on them.

Since then there has been much experience with these balancers on our Airstreams. Is anyone aware of a Nev-R-Lube bearing failure, and if so were Centrmatics installed?
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Old 05-26-2016, 05:08 PM   #17
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Some time ago a Dexter rep was quoted in WBCCI magazine (I think that's where it was) that nothing should be installed to change the zero wheel offset requirement of the Nev-R-Lube bearings. That has kept from considering the Centramatics; we want no increased risk of bearing failure. We see no balance problems with our 16" Michelin tires, so I'm not convinced we need to spend the money on them.

Since then there has been much experience with these balancers on our Airstreams. Is anyone aware of a Nev-R-Lube bearing failure, and if so were Centrmatics installed?
Dexter makes a great axle.

But some of their Ole Timers LOVE TO spread a bunch of HOGWASH.

They say no shocks, yet they install brackets for the Airstream factory. The added shocks, ADD TO the vertical movement control of the trailer.

If 1/16 of an inch off set by using Centramatics, would ruin the bearings then the NEV-R-LUBE must be junk, OR, more hogwash.

Dexter also says if you weld a shock bracket on a torsion arm, that you would void the warranty. A VERY ACCURATE test was made, and indeed, the temperature on the square shaft rose by 16 degrees F. I reported that to them that if that rise in temperature would destroy the rubber rods, then DEXTER MUST also publish that you must not EVER have a torsion axle in the state of Arizona during the summer, because that temperature rise would be far greater than 16 degrees. They bashfully admitted that they were "WRONG".

Also, the NEV-R-LUBE setup sucks a persons thinking that they can forget about the running gear for 100,000 miles. Gosh, information all over town says to take the drums off every 10,000 miles to inspect the brakes and grease the bearings. So, is it implied that you do not need to remove the drums for inspection ?? I really don't think that's a good idea. Then if you must take the drums off, then why not take care of the bearings as well. It would be very difficult to believe that with the NEV-R-LUBE system that a bearing failure would never happen. I don't really think that's a very good thing to assume.

Modern technology is great, but sometimes it's hogwash, if not also a "selling point".

Oh yes, IF a failure with the NEV-R-LUBE happened, you become stranded, since no one stocks parts, for a system that sounds great, on paper.

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Old 05-27-2016, 07:18 AM   #18
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Well, since I have never lube axles and Centramatics, I ll post if there is a problem with them. It does seem to me that anecdotal evidence supports the use of the Centramatics. I know, that although my wheels were balanced, after traveling for a few hours the cushions from our dinette and sofa would be thrown on the floor. Once the snap in cushion fell out of the door when I opened the trailer. And we have had a broken cup in a cupboard after travel. After installing the Centramatics, and a short freeway trip, everything was in place when we arrived, and our coffee cups were still hanging from there cup hooks. A first for the Airstream.

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All late model 25' and up Airstreams have Nev-R-Lube bearings. They may be putting them on some smaller models now. There is a schedule for inspection of the runout of the bearings in the Airstream Owners Manual.

We don't follow the manual perfectly, instead we often travel near Jackson Center so we schedule a stop every couple of years to inspect wheel bearings, brakes, check tire balance and rotate them. They are our preferred service center, fairly convenient for us and good work.

We watch for indications of rough ride in our Airstream, drawers or doors open, loose screws or hinges, things bouncing around or falling off. None of it has ever happened. She keeps a box of Kleenex on a small shelf near the front, it stays there unless we travel on the roughest of road surface, that's our low-tech rough ride indicator.

Maybe there is a reason we should have Centramatics, we haven't seen it yet. At least a reason to override the zero offset requirement from the axle manufacturer.

It would be good to know if any forum members have had Nev-R-Lube failures, and if any of those had Centramatics installed. Is it true no one stocks replacement Nev-R-Lube bearings? Would this be because of a very low failure rate?
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I had a set of Centramatics but had one or two fail on me. The little beads in the rims stopped moving. Maybe they lost the oil or something. So I lost 200 bucks on that experience.

Now I use DynaBeads. They are a lot cheaper, and when I change tires, I cut the sidewalls and retreve the beads and use them for the new tires. DynaBeads actually have the advantage of traveling farther from the hub than the Centamatics can. Thus, they can balance better for any given weight. Plus, the amount of beads can be increased if more balancing is needed to compensate for something in the wheel or hub.
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This is the technical instruction that suggests the hub and brake drum may well require balancing in some way. It is my assumption that the Centramatics will serve this purpose. See the third paragraph. Have no memory of the source of this file. Betting it is posted somewhere else here. Pat
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the DynaBeads looks interesting for sure. It shows for you to let the air out of tires, and inject the beads into the tire via the valve stem and re inflate and just drive. Or is you are adding new tires to rims you put them in the tire during mounting operation.

So how have they worked out and do you need to do a regular balance on tires and then you add this stuff..?? they do seem to be a bit less expensive.


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I had a set of Centramatics but had one or two fail on me. The little beads in the rims stopped moving. Maybe they lost the oil or something. So I lost 200 bucks on that experience.

Now I use DynaBeads. They are a lot cheaper, and when I change tires, I cut the sidewalls and retreve the beads and use them for the new tires. DynaBeads actually have the advantage of traveling farther from the hub than the Centamatics can. Thus, they can balance better for any given weight. Plus, the amount of beads can be increased if more balancing is needed to compensate for something in the wheel or hub.
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DynaBeads....tire ware from the outside & inside. Golf balls work too.

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