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Old 06-17-2011, 01:30 PM   #197
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The dilemma for a manufacturer is to decide what is the best tire for their product, what are the relative costs, and what is the liability exposure.

After all, if they continue with ST tires and a lawyer claims after a horrendous accident that ST tires are clearly inferior, that lawyer also has a good argument. Aside from legal issues, the moral issue is: what is best for the customer?
I believe a vehicle manufacturer looks at the decision process in reverse order. Cost, liability then application. If there was an accident from a tire issue many manufactures can deflect some of the liability to the tire manufacturer as long as the load rating of the tire and the application was inline along with instructions (owner's manual) to the user.

I believe it was Lee Ioaccoa that said about tires, I want them round black and cheap and the first two don't count. From a market position cost is everything with no added liability. If a manufacturer can obtain a part with less money that does the job OK, spending money on a superior part means they might loose market share or sales to a competitor that spends less money. Nothing is absolute because in a high end product one would expect high end parts. That does not always occur. And it is left up to the end user to customize the vehicle with better replacement parts or with upgrades (if available) when the vehicle is built.

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Old 06-18-2011, 11:43 AM   #198
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I believe a vehicle manufacturer looks at the decision process in reverse order. Cost, liability then application.
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Some probably do, but different executives see it differently, and some make dumb decisions and don't look at facts.

Cost of the part, liability and customer satisfaction all have costs involved. I think that if you want people to buy your product for a long time, customer satisfaction has to be a big part of the equation. But if you see things in a short term way—quarterly earnings reports and stock prices—the tendency is to cut deep with little regard to long term reputation. Hopefully you'll have a better job somewhere else by the time the lawsuits pile up and sales drop because the product is crap.

All these factors are part of a rationale decision and the decision maker may not be rationale, or maybe ill informed on how to run a company, or times are bad and there is pressure to cheapen the product. Some people cannot juggle all the factors well and make bad decisions for that reason. The executive may think poorly paid and untrained workers treated badly are just as good an experienced well paid workers, but the result is often a badly made product. Cost has to be a part of the decision making, but good executives look at everything. Of course an executive who ignores costs will end up in trouble too, but you might want to buy their product instead of others (and before they are in bankruptcy).

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If anyone moving to 16" wants to sell their 15" wheels PM me.
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I have 2 15 inch rims and marathons off my 2008 safari sport. One marathon is 4 months old and the other is 3 years old. Both less than 10% wear. One rim is 4 months old and the other is 3 years old. Basically a very nice set of tires and rims. The are the factory sendel split spoke design.



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Old 06-19-2011, 11:31 AM   #201
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Thanks but I want to get a matched set of 4 wheels, don't really need the tires.
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My personal favorite is the cautions that they now print on all of the McDonald's coffee cups clearly stating that you should use caution as this coffee is HOT. I realize that this is required after McDonald's paid millions in damages to a woman who spilled hot coffee on her lap and burned herself. Her suit was based on the fact that McDonald's failed to warn her that the coffee was hot. Please tell me who ever bought a cup of coffee anywhere and did not have the reasonable expectation that it was hot????

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That McDonalds was keeping their coffee at 190F and had been warned several times by the local Health Department to rectify the situation. But as profit always comes before other concerns, they did not. That lady received serious burns requiring skin grafts . . and McDonalds offered her $800 towards her $20k medical bills. (let's not forget 700 other identical incidents to this by this company). . . however, she, unlike McDonalds cannot hire PR firms to bandy the half-truths endemic to talk radio and a wilfully ignorant audience. It's sad, indeed, that franchisee wasn't put out of business . . that should have been the end to that story.

And I doubt that ST tires are what they are supposed to be, besides being cheap and able to hold air for about 3-years. While some tires may well be overkill for this application, it looks as though a proper load range LT is an easy choice for those concerned.

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16" Rim spec?

After reading this and other threads, we are pretty much convinced to make the LTX/16" rim switch. Could someone who has purchased these post the full rim description to purchase with the tires?
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Old 08-19-2011, 11:15 AM   #204
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After reading this and other threads, we are pretty much convinced to make the LTX/16" rim switch. Could someone who has purchased these post the full rim description to purchase with the tires?
Thanks in advance.

I have used these, and they have always fit well on Airstream trailers.
Aluminum Trailer Wheel Style: SERIES #03 Size: 16 x 7 Bolt Pattern: 6 x 5.5 Bore Size: 4.25 Load Rating: 3200 lbs @ 80 PSI Offset: -8mm Hispec
BFG makes a nice tire for this upgrade, so do many other brands.
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I have used these, and they have always fit well on Airstream trailers.
Aluminum Trailer Wheel Style: SERIES #03 Size: 16 x 7 Bolt Pattern: 6 x 5.5 Bore Size: 4.25 Load Rating: 3200 lbs @ 80 PSI Offset: -8mm Hispec
BFG makes a nice tire for this upgrade, so do many other brands.
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So if I understand offset, -8mm means that the outside of the wheel will be 8mm closer to the wheelwell opening. I have very little room as it is.
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So would these be the right ones, with zero offset?



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Or should it be this one 16 x7, 6bolts:
Thank you for you help! we don't want to order the wrong size.

6. Aluminum Trailer Wheel Style: SERIES #06 Size: 16 x 7 Bolt Pattern: 6 x 5.5 Bore Size: 4.25 Load Rating: 3200 lbs @ 80 PSI Offset: 0mm Hispec
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Most of the info should be on the present wheel except for the diameter. You can count the bolts. Offset is probably zero as it has been for years.

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After reading this and other threads, we are pretty much convinced to make the LTX/16" rim switch. Could someone who has purchased these post the full rim description to purchase with the tires?
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I had my new LT's mounted on Greenball Dualforce wheels.
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After reading this and other threads, we are pretty much convinced to make the LTX/16" rim switch. Could someone who has purchased these post the full rim description to purchase with the tires?
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Here is what I purchased a few months ago to with Michelin LTX M/S LT225/75R16:

Manufacturer - Sendel (http://www.sendelwheel.com/Product_Detail.asp?ID=110)

Model - T03-66655
Size - Diameter - 16"
Width - 6"
Bolt Holes - 6
Bolt Circle - 5.5"
Offset - 0"
Center Bore - 4.25"

There is also a distributor called Tredit which has it too. http://www.tredittire.com/T03-P53.aspx SILVER COLOR
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