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Old 04-13-2011, 07:28 AM   #155
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Does anyone know if Mothership is issuing new data plates when they change folks from 15 to 16 at the factory, or if they change data plates when folks upgrade their axles there?

I wonder if JC would do that or not, or perhaps there may be some federal law that prevents them from doing that unless the modified/upgraded units undergo testing?

I upgraded mine to 16s a few years ago, have the axles next on the list, and would like to upgrade the data plate on the carrying capacity and tire PSI recommendations to match...
Not sure about TTs, but for autos, the plate must reflect "at the time of manufacture". I suspect trailers are the same.
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Not sure about TTs, but for autos, the plate must reflect "at the time of manufacture". I suspect trailers are the same.
We just received our new Classic and upgraded the tires to the Michelin M&S 16" and the "manufacturers" plate was unchanged. The plate is attached at the completion of assembly/manufacture and the change of tires was considered an additional feature. The unit was transferred to another building for the changeout.

We love those tires.......I carry them at 78/80 psi and they provide an additional buffer over the GYM's in terms of their weight rating. Just piece of mind....Zigi
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Does anyone know if Mothership is issuing new data plates when they change folks from 15 to 16 at the factory, or if they change data plates when folks upgrade their axles there?

I wonder if JC would do that or not, or perhaps there may be some federal law that prevents them from doing that unless the modified/upgraded units undergo testing?

I upgraded mine to 16s a few years ago, have the axles next on the list, and would like to upgrade the data plate on the carrying capacity and tire PSI recommendations to match...
Not likely. That would exposed the company to more liability. And most busineses are not looking to increase their liability. Just because an owner modified (or authorized a modification) from the original design does not mean the rest of the vehicle is built for that modification in all circumstances. There is no engineering that goes in to most modifications. So all of the related aspects have not been considered with measurable study. And the mod may work for the load given 95% of the time. The deepest pockets get sued for product liability 5% of the time.

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The deepest pockets get sued for product liability 5% of the time.

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I doubt it is 5% given the cost of litigation, but if you do it, you are responsible for what you do.

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It's the concept of added liability. If the improved product worked 95% of the time, the 5% it didn't work would represent increased liability. No company is going to change their capacity or original data plate because a user made a modification. Even if that change was recognised as an improvement.

Discount tire stamps my work order after I ask them to install slightly larger tires on my van. I asked what gives. The response was based on the manufactures data the vehicle was designed for P215-75R15 tires. You asked us to install LT225-75R15 these are bigger tires and Discount Tire is expressly disclaiming any liability for the issues that you may have with a larger tire.

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It's a real shame that intelligent people can not responsibility for their actions and decisions. It seems that everything we have and do requires some sort of disclaimer.

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It's a real shame that intelligent people can not responsibility for their actions and decisions. It seems that everything we have and do requires some sort of disclaimer.

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Intelligent people take responsibility for their actions all the time... it's the bottom-feeding sociopaths who call the ambulance chasers advertising on TV to "get what's owed to them" who are the problem with liability issues. Have you seen the number of labels on a ladder, and the ridiculous text printed on them?
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Intelligent people take responsibility for their actions all the time... it's the bottom-feeding sociopaths who call the ambulance chasers advertising on TV to "get what's owed to them" who are the problem with liability issues. Have you seen the number of labels on a ladder, and the ridiculous text printed on them?
My personal favorite is the cautions that they now print on all of the McDonald's coffee cups clearly stating that you should use caution as this coffee is HOT. I realize that this is required after McDonald's paid millions in damages to a woman who spilled hot coffee on her lap and burned herself. Her suit was based on the fact that McDonald's failed to warn her that the coffee was hot. Please tell me who ever bought a cup of coffee anywhere and did not have the reasonable expectation that it was hot????

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For those of you that have done the switch to 16 inch rims and tires, have you had any problem stowing the spare 16 inch in the rack under the trailer?
I too have considered and almost bought into the 16 inch rim and tire. I think it's a good idea, but I wouldn't want to create another problem by having to stow the spare in the bed of the truck.
Tight, but do-able... I carry a full spare on a 16" rim in the factory location on my 27FB.
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Tight, but do-able... I carry a full spare on a 16" rim in the factory location on my 27FB.
Same here .... my 16" spare w/ factory rim is snug but fits just fine.
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This has gotten off topic, but the fact is the damage award McDonalds paid was reduced on appeal substantially. The woman suffered serious burns and the coffee was hotter than just hot, but super hot and there had been a series of complaints about McDonald's coffee being too hot and burning people.

I agree people should taken precautions from reasonably normal situations, but this was a different situation. And I agree that some warning labels are dumb and if I really wanted to put a plastic bag over my head, a warning wouldn't stop me. In fact, I'm wearing one right now—the plastic allows me to see while I type though I've got to stop because I'm having trouble breathing for some reason.

One more thing, I like my 16" tires and no one warned me about the size or stamped anything on my receipt.

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Great looking wheels.

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I'm pretty sure that's the wheel & tire combination I'm going with. Tredit T03 with black powder coating. That photo is an 2012 25FB Eddie Bauer Edition at Sky River's Pismo Beach, CA lot.

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