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09-09-2013, 11:17 AM
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Trying to run away.....
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Hampton
, Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2013
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16" wheels
Does anyone know the current "upcharge" for ordering the 16" from the factory?? Is there any reason I cannot buy/install them after the sale?? Has anyone installed any other 16" wheels besides the OEM or OEM spec'd AS wheels??
I don't want to pay too much for a factory ordered option if there are "better" alternatives down the road. Thanks!!
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09-09-2013, 11:35 AM
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Rivet Master
2005 19' Safari
GLENDALE
, AZ
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 2,453
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Same wheels as Airstream factory sells are available from Sendel Wheel. Most on this forum use T02 and T03, but some others will fit. Approximate cost $100-120 each. Can be special ordered from Discount Tire and other tires stores. (Discount does not charge for shipping):
Aluminum Trailer | Sendel Wheels
See wheel photos (T02) and wheel specs at end of this post:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f465...tml#post944334
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09-09-2013, 11:58 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction
, Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 6,214
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I personally have five SenDel T03-66655T wheels (same model without black highlight paint as factory installs on the Eddie Bauer models and available from Discount tire) sitting in my storage unit along with:
Centramatic wheel balancers (part #300-356 all "A" plates only for 16" wheels) available from Centramatic for $199 plus freight ( http://centramatic.com/Page.aspx?page=Balancers)
Dill TPMS (part #1506-453 which includes 6 inside the tire senders and #1900 display screen) available from Discount tire
McGard lug nuts (#24138 Chrome Cone Seat Wheel Locks and McGard 64010 Chrome Bulge Cone Seat Style Lug Nuts (1/2" - 20 Thread Size)) available from Amazon
By the time I buy the Michelin LT 225/75R16E model LTX M/S2 (# 05681) tires in January from CostCo (they will be as fresh as possible) just before the new trailer is built, I will have close to the Airstream factory's price invested. But I can sell the 15" four aluminum and one steel wheels from the trailer when it gets here and recoup some of the cost. I will not personally sell the take off OEM tires for liability reasons.
Buying from the factory, there is no credit for either the GYM ST225/75R15D tires or the OEM 15" four aluminum and one steel (for the spare) wheels.
The SenDel T03-66655T 16 x 6 wheels are rated 3,580 pounds @ 80psi, have a zero offset, 6 bolts on 5.5" circle and a 4.25" center bore to accommodate the Airstream center wheel cap. Discount tire charged $103 per wheel plus $10 freight for each wheel plus sales tax. http://www.sendelwheel.com/wheels/t03sm)
My thinking is that by using the same tires and wheels the factory sells in the hallway into their store, installs onto a specific model of trailer and offers to send them to you to install means that there can be no finger pointing over a warranty issue that could be related to tires and or wheels.
I will also be glad to have a greater load capacity tire (2,680 pounds versus 2,540 pounds) that lacks the notoriety associated with the GYM Marathon tires.
YMMV
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09-09-2013, 05:31 PM
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Trying to run away.....
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Hampton
, Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2013
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I know what a TPMS is, just why use a TPMS?? Just for the ease of knowing the pressure without needed to physically check??
For the Centramatic balancers I know what they are/how they are used. Why not just get the wheels/tires balanced like your TV??
I ask these questions as I see plenty of posts about the subjects yet don't see where the benefits come into play.
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09-09-2013, 07:22 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 25' International
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Los Osos
, California
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 916
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Sendel T02s from America's Tire/Discount Tire. They had the best prices for both wheels and Michelin LTs.
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2016 RAM 2500 Crew Cab Cummins 6.7 Diesel
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09-09-2013, 08:06 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,714
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We bought four new 16" Michelins and Sendel T02 wheels for $1400 (mounted/balanced on wheels, new lug nuts) and sold the stock set with 4,000 miles for $500. I installed them myself for a total cost of $900 for the upgrade.
We kept the original 15" GYM spare because of the very unlikely event we will ever use it, and it is completely adequate if by some odd quirk of nature we ever do.
doug
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09-09-2013, 08:26 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 27' Flying Cloud
W
, New England
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 7,402
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavyAssault
I know what a TPMS is, just why use a TPMS?? Just for the ease of knowing the pressure without needed to physically check??
I ask these questions as I see plenty of posts about the subjects yet don't see where the benefits come into play.
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Hi Heavy. For me, the benefit of the TPMS is to be warned when pressure or temperatures fall outside of a safe range so HOPEFULLY there is enough time to pull over before a serious failure. I've been told that I probably wouldn't be able to feel if I had a flat on one of the trailer tires while driving along so a TPMS would in theory prevent me from causing more damage.
Others may have different views.
Can't speak to Centramatics but I'm contemplating DynaBeads in addition to (not in place of) the normal balancing done on my trailer tires. Belts ad suspenders I suppose. :-)
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09-09-2013, 08:35 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 30' Classic
2012 28' International
Greensboro
, North Carolina
Join Date: Aug 2011
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Am on a 2,500 mile trip as I write this. I installed almost exactly the setup Switz describes when I took delivery of my trailer. I've put just about 18,000 miles on this rig, and the wheel/tire/TPMS combination has performed flawlessly. I stopped at JC last week to have a 2d A/C installed (I should have ordered it when I ordered the trailer). The tech smiled when he saw I'd gone to the 16" wheels and Michelins. He said, "I think you were well advised to do this." (I'd sold the 15" wheels and tires to someone right after I bought the 16's.) I cannot emphasize how useful it is to have a TPMS giving you a steady read on the pressure in each of your tires. Today, it was 101 degrees in Iowa. Tire pressure held very steady even in the intense heat. Oh, and if you want one more reason to switch. Ask any of the A/S techs what it costs to replace the aluminum panel/banana wrap, BEHIND the wheel when the steel belt lets loose.
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09-09-2013, 09:01 PM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
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"I will not personally sell the take off OEM tires for liability reasons."
Switz.....
You don't have to sell them....just send 'em my way.
Bob
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09-09-2013, 09:37 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,714
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Actually I didn't sell mine either, just gave them to the guy that bought the wheels.
doug
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09-10-2013, 02:09 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction
, Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
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Did you dismount the tires from the wheels before "giving" them to the wheel purchaser? If not, then the tires came in the purchase price for liability exposure. If they were unmounted, then the chap intentionally mounted them which would relieve you of the liability issue for the tires. The bill of sale should read wheels only without tires.
The ambulance chaser lawyers are a real pain and have contributed to everyone doing the CYA thing.
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09-10-2013, 04:38 AM
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Rivet Master
1984 34' International
Toronto
, Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,499
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On private sales of used equipment there is no implied liability or even a "fit for purpose", at least here in Canada. It's "Buyer Beware" all the way.
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09-10-2013, 04:59 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2018 30' International
2014 30' Flying Cloud
Los alamos
, New Mexico
Join Date: May 2012
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I utilized much of Switz, posts information on tires and rims. My total costs recently from Discount tire with Sendel rims , and all their warranties ( they have 800 stores nationally ) for five tires was $2,100. Awaiting delivery of my 30ft and will mount before taking delivery. Not sure what I will do with stock rims and tires.
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09-10-2013, 05:05 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2018 30' International
2014 30' Flying Cloud
Los alamos
, New Mexico
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 359
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When I called the factory to inquire about the tire set they are using on the 27EB, the up charge was $350 per tire.
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09-10-2013, 12:25 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 25' International
Currently Looking...
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Los Osos
, California
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 916
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Quote:
Originally Posted by switz
Did you dismount the tires from the wheels before "giving" them to the wheel purchaser? If not, then the tires came in the purchase price for liability exposure. If they were unmounted, then the chap intentionally mounted them which would relieve you of the liability issue for the tires. The bill of sale should read wheels only without tires.
The ambulance chaser lawyers are a real pain and have contributed to everyone doing the CYA thing.
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Would the used tires liability concerns then logically extend to the private sale of used trailers and tow vehicles?
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2016 RAM 2500 Crew Cab Cummins 6.7 Diesel
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10-11-2013, 09:29 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari
St. Augustine
, Florida
Join Date: Oct 2011
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Where are you getting the 16" steel spare wheel? How much is it?
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10-12-2013, 02:51 AM
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3 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
Sunset Beach
, California
Join Date: Aug 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavyAssault
Does anyone know the current "upcharge" for ordering the 16" from the factory?? Is there any reason I cannot buy/install them after the sale?? Has anyone installed any other 16" wheels besides the OEM or OEM spec'd AS wheels??
I don't want to pay too much for a factory ordered option if there are "better" alternatives down the road. Thanks!!
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Hi,
My dealer recently gave me a quote on a 2014 Flying Cloud 25FB with the 16" wheels and tires from the Eddie Bauer 25FB including a 16" spare. The cost was $1,700 plus $500 that Airstream charges for a "deviation from standard specifications" charge.
Hope the info helps,
Rion
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10-12-2013, 04:21 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
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$500...
That's certainly very devious of them...what kroc.
Guess the PM is shrinking, what with the improving RV market and all.
Bob
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10-12-2013, 08:56 AM
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Moderator
2004 30' Classic Slideout
Fenton
, Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2002
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After calling the factory I decided to go on the open market and buy the same wheels and tires. The Michelins were bought from Discount Tire Direct for $808 with free shipping back in June of 2012. On top of that Michelin provided a $70 cash card so my net was $738. They partner with a local tire store in St. Louis so mounting on the new wheels, balancing and demounting of my ST tires from my 15" Alcoa rims and disposal of the old tires cost $62.
The Tredit wheel plus a 16" spare (which looked just like my Airstream supplied spare) was $597.94 which included shipping. That price included the wheel caps, lug nuts and valves. I sold the Alcoa wheels on Craigs List to another Airstreamer for $50 each. Net cost for the wheels then was $397.94.
I still have not bought a 16" spare at this point. It probably won't be a Michelin but will be a LT E rated tire.
So far my net toal out of pocket was $1,197.94. The Airstream store's quote to me for 4 wheels tires mounted and balanced and with shipping was about $1,480. Note also that the $70 Michelin rebate would not have been available to me since Michelin does not consider Airstream as a tire dealer.
Personally if I were buying a new Airstream, I'd take the stock wheels and tires and then do what I did and buy the wheels on the open market. The tires will have value, the wheels will be brand new and if you watch the Michelin ads, you can probably get $70-$75 in rebates.
Jack
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10-12-2013, 09:32 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
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After 35+ years in the auto business I've learned, if your willing to do the leg work you can most always come up with a better "deal" than what the Factory offers.
"Stay thirsty my fiend... Your 'gonn'a like the way it looks"
Bob
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