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Old 04-16-2014, 05:12 PM   #197
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We have a 2004, 28ft Classic, that needs new tires, and we are going to go to the 16" wheels and the Michelin LTX M/S2 tires. I have studied the forums, and am feeling more confident about how to go about this (I have learned more about tires than I ever wanted to know!) - but before I order the wheels, I want to be sure I am getting something that works.
I see that many have installed the TO3 that is in the lobby at JC. But others have chosen the T02, and one forum member put on the T05s, which come with a center cap. I can't find anything that says one of these is better than the other in terms of its functionality. Is there any reason to choose one over the other, besides looks? Here is what I have figured out:
The prices aren't very different.
All three are labeled #66655, and meet the following specs:
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Bolt circle 6 x 139.7 (same as 6 x 5.5)
Zero offset
Center bore 4.25
The only difference I can identify, other than looks, is that the T02 and T05 have a load rating of 3200, whereas the T03 is listed at 3580. It would seem that the lower rating is ample for our trailer however (GVWR 8600) and the Michelin tires we are going to buy. Is that right?

As long as I am asking, here is what else I am planning on ordering, based on hours of reading on the forum (I am grateful to so many for sharing) - please tell me if I have gotten something wrong.
We found a locally owned tire shop that will order the Michelins and install them on the trailer, balanced, with metal stems, for less than the Costco price for just the tires and mounting on the rims! Best of all, the shop is right down the road from where we store the trailer and they weren't flumoxed at all by the request to put them on the trailer.
We will get new stainless lug nuts and install Centramatics.
I think I am going to order the TST tire pressure monitoring system, with the external sensors. I am assuming we can install that ourselves.
At this point, we are going to keep our existing 15 inch spare. I know there is a lot of debate with regard to the wisdom of that....but for now that is our decision.

Is there anything else I need to think about?
Thanks again for your help.

Regarding your spare, if you did have a flat, the spare would be a different diameter going from a 16" Michelin to a 15" ST. When I did my switch, I ordered a basic 16" steel rim from the same Sendel dealer and added a cheaper 16" D rated tire the same diameter. It did barely fit under the frame, but it fit.
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Old 04-16-2014, 05:57 PM   #198
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On my 19ft 75th I changed the rims and tires for fear of destructive damage from the Explodathons doing their thing...

I would go retro with 16" Dexstar steel wheels and stainless baby moon caps along with stainless trim rings. No rust, low maintenance. Paint the rims to match your trailer. I bought my rims from Redneck Trailer Supply; very cheap: Dexstar 16" steel wheels, 6" wide, 6x5.5 bolt circle, model number WH166-60E. I also bought Centramatic model 13150 balancers from Andy.

Again, I went with 16" wheels for my 75th Winick Prototype but I went with the best tires I could...Michelin XPS Ribs. Very pricey, but they have a full steel sidewall. I had a previous blowout with a Bad-Year on my Scamp that ripped a hole in the wheelwell. Didn't want to chance that on my Airstream...so I replaced essentially brand new tires. I run my XPS Ribs at full maximum cold PSI which is 80lbs. I have been in the trailer while being pulled at highway speeds over rough roads and it is still as bouncy and cushiony as ever; it doesn't slam over bumps whatsoever. Running at max cold PSI has not been detrimental in the least; as a matter of fact, I can tell if the tires are a bit low; it feels as if I'm pulling pillowcases full of wet flour. HUGE difference in towing resistance.

I painted my rims with Duplicolor Ford Blue high temperature engine enamel. I love the way they look. I am REALLY happy. The tires, again are Michelin XPS Ribs in a 225/75/16, customized by DiamondBack Tires with a 1.5" whitewall and dual blue lines. The blue lines are the exact same color as my pinstripes (and vintage logos) and match the color of my rims (the lettering I used for "Airstream" is a bit lighter in color). The stripes on the tires take away some of the HUGENESS of these tires. They increase the ride height over my old Bad-Year Explodathons by about 1/2". Not enough to worry about.

The trim rings are stainless steel, ribbed, purchased brand new from eBay. The hubcaps are PhoenixUSA 1309SS also in stainless steel. They fit the 16" Dexstar rims with ease...no denting, no forcing. But, it is wise to put a dab of clear RTV on at least two spots of the hubcaps to make sure they stay on...they fit snugly, but you don't want to lose one.

Here are some pics of the rims and tires. They POP!!!



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I also have mine set at 75psi and use centramatics.

Just returned from our first trip with the 16" Michelins - covered about 5200 miles and all went fine. Didn't need to worry about the 65mph ST restriction when going across Texas either!

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Old 04-16-2014, 06:33 PM   #200
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Regarding your spare, if you did have a flat, the spare would be a different diameter going from a 16" Michelin to a 15" ST. When I did my switch, I ordered a basic 16" steel rim from the same Sendel dealer and added a cheaper 16" D rated tire the same diameter. It did barely fit under the frame, but it fit.
Here's my reasoning to keep the original 15" spare.

We got the 16" Michelins for the great reliability. No one on this forum has reported a failure of this tire, even on a poll that was done. It is highly unlikely the spare will ever be used.

If we had a flat, Airstream states in our owner's manual we can remove that tire and proceed on three wheels at slower speed and limited distance to get it changed or repaired. Most surely the 15" spare is an extra measure and adequate to proceed for repairs.

If we had a flat with a 16" Michelin, we would be without a spare and still proceed for a prompt repair. No difference.

Our original 15" spare is new, never been on the ground. It doesn't sound to us like money well spent to discard it for an expensive tire and wheel that we will most likely never use, and offers only the slightest, if any improvement of the unlikely flat tire event.

Our money is limited and we could spend that amount on something more useful for our travels.

Some say they can use the spare in the tire rotation schedule and get longer wear out of them. Maybe. But for most of us it is much more likely these Michelins will age out long before they wear out.
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Old 04-16-2014, 08:00 PM   #201
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Here's my reasoning to keep the original 15" spare.

We got the 16" Michelins for the great reliability. No one on this forum has reported a failure of this tire, even on a poll that was done. It is highly unlikely the spare will ever be used.

If we had a flat, Airstream states in our owner's manual we can remove that tire and proceed on three wheels at slower speed and limited distance to get it changed or repaired. Most surely the 15" spare is an extra measure and adequate to proceed for repairs.

If we had a flat with a 16" Michelin, we would be without a spare and still proceed for a prompt repair. No difference.

Our original 15" spare is new, never been on the ground. It doesn't sound to us like money well spent to discard it for an expensive tire and wheel that we will most likely never use, and offers only the slightest, if any improvement of the unlikely flat tire event.

Our money is limited and we could spend that amount on something more useful for our travels.

Some say they can use the spare in the tire rotation schedule and get longer wear out of them. Maybe. But for most of us it is much more likely these Michelins will age out long before they wear out.

Probably makes sense!

I did opt for the 16" spare mainly based on the argument of being able to including it in the rotation, but also because this way I wound up with a 5th matching 16 aluminum wheel just in case I somehow damage one and at that time can no longer buy a matching replacement.

One problem is that the spare will not fit in the underbody rack at the front of our trailer.

Looks as though I could modify the carrying rack easily enough, but on the other hand, it would seem a shame to throw that nice looking aluminum wheel under there anyway, so I just carry it in the back of our pickup now! Doesn't take up much space there and probably a lot easier to get at it if I ever need to use it on the road.

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Old 04-16-2014, 09:12 PM   #202
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On my 19ft 75th I changed the rims and tires for fear of destructive damage from the Explodathons doing their thing...

I would go retro with 16" Dexstar steel wheels and stainless baby moon caps along with stainless trim rings. No rust, low maintenance. Paint the rims to match your trailer. I bought my rims from Redneck Trailer Supply; very cheap: Dexstar 16" steel wheels, 6" wide, 6x5.5 bolt circle, model number WH166-60E. I also bought Centramatic model 13150 balancers from Andy.

Again, I went with 16" wheels for my 75th Winick Prototype but I went with the best tires I could...Michelin XPS Ribs. Very pricey, but they have a full steel sidewall. I had a previous blowout with a Bad-Year on my Scamp that ripped a hole in the wheelwell. Didn't want to chance that on my Airstream...so I replaced essentially brand new tires. I run my XPS Ribs at full maximum cold PSI which is 80lbs. I have been in the trailer while being pulled at highway speeds over rough roads and it is still as bouncy and cushiony as ever; it doesn't slam over bumps whatsoever. Running at max cold PSI has not been detrimental in the least; as a matter of fact, I can tell if the tires are a bit low; it feels as if I'm pulling pillowcases full of wet flour. HUGE difference in towing resistance.

I painted my rims with Duplicolor Ford Blue high temperature engine enamel. I love the way they look. I am REALLY happy. The tires, again are Michelin XPS Ribs in a 225/75/16, customized by DiamondBack Tires with a 1.5" whitewall and dual blue lines. The blue lines are the exact same color as my pinstripes (and vintage logos) and match the color of my rims (the lettering I used for "Airstream" is a bit lighter in color). The stripes on the tires take away some of the HUGENESS of these tires. They increase the ride height over my old Bad-Year Explodathons by about 1/2". Not enough to worry about.

The trim rings are stainless steel, ribbed, purchased brand new from eBay. The hubcaps are PhoenixUSA 1309SS also in stainless steel. They fit the 16" Dexstar rims with ease...no denting, no forcing. But, it is wise to put a dab of clear RTV on at least two spots of the hubcaps to make sure they stay on...they fit snugly, but you don't want to lose one.

Here are some pics of the rims and tires. They POP!!!




I might take your idea and apply it to my trailer.
What could possibly look cooler than 2 of those wheels, 4 of those wheels!
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Goat-looks really good!

"....and match the color of my rims (the lettering I used for "Airstream" is a bit lighter in color). "

Where did you get the lettering? The Airstream raised letter logo on the front of my 2001 is shot and all my dealer can provide to replace it is a vinyl decal.

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Dang spellcheck....Goat=ggoat

Sorry....
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I bought the Sendel T03 wheels from the manufacturer on Ebay ($122 including shipping) and some nice chromed metal valve stems that fit nicely with my external TPMS.



Now this is where it gets interesting. I called Airstream's technical support line and asked, "Why did you guys choose the Michelin tires as the factory upgrade?" His reply was, "Because they are made in America." I said, "That's odd! Tirerack says they are made in Germany!" He said he would ask one of their engineers and call me back. He never did. I double checked and the Michelins are truly made in Germany.



I called Tirerack and asked to speak to a "tire expert." I asked him to show both the Michelin XPS Rib tires and the Kumho Road Venture APT KL51 on his screen for the needed 225 75 R16 tires. I then had him read the fine print on each tires specifications. Here are the differences:

1. The Kumhos are 0.1 inch smaller in diameter.

2. The Kumhos weigh 37 lbs each, the Michelins weigh 49 lbs each.

3. The Michelins say, "Highway Rib Summer tires are not intended to be driven in near-freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice."

4. All other specifications related to load, speed, warranty, etc. are identical.

5. Lastly, the Michelins are $292 each plus shipping and the Kumhos are $115 plus shipping.



I spoke to my friend, Paul, down in Decatur, TX and discussed these Michelin tires. Paul does Airstream service. He said, in his experience, the sidewalls are very heavy on them (probably accounting for the additional weight). In addition, two trailers he is familiar had the Michelins installed in 2008 and now have sidewall cracks severe enough that the tires now need to be replaced. He indicated that these tires had run in excess of 100,000 miles and still had plenty of remaining tread. Interesting! The tread outlived the sidewalls!



Just to let y'all know, I am a Mechanical Engineer. I used to be registered in 5 states until I retired recently.



So here is what I did: I considered everything I know and I ordered the Kumhos.



I've blown out a total of 6 Goodyear Marathon's (the tire recommended and installed by Airstream) over the last two trips and I decided the Kumhos were worth the risk.



Discussion?

UPDATE!!!

We are into our second summer with the Sendel 16" wheels and Kumho tires and WE LOVE THEM! We have probably put 10,000 miles on them, so far, and with 67psi inflation, they run smooth as silk!

When we mounted the tires I had the shop balance them. In addition, I added a set of the Centramatics balancers. The combination is perfect.

I can't say enough about how great this setup rides. We used to shake all the spices out of the spice rack with our "balanced" Marathons but not any more.

I check tire temperatures with an infrared temp device and the Kumhos consistently measure lower temperatures than the Michelins on my big ass Dodge 2500 diesel.

I could not be happier!


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UPDATE!!!

We are into our second summer with the Sendel 16" wheels and Kumho tires and WE LOVE THEM! We have probably put 10,000 miles on them, so far, and with 67psi inflation, they run smooth as silk!

When we mounted the tires I had the shop balance them. In addition, I added a set of the Centramatics balancers. The combination is perfect.

I can't say enough about how great this setup rides. We used to shake all the spices out of the spice rack with our "balanced" Marathons but not any more.

I check tire temperatures with an infrared temp device and the Kumhos consistently measure lower temperatures than the Michelins on my big ass Dodge 2500 diesel.

I could not be happier!


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How about the tread life? I used to buy Kumhos for my Corvette, but the tread life was always worse than the more expensive Nitto's. Curious about in other applications.
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Old 08-21-2015, 08:12 PM   #209
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I am at that crossroads-
Need tires now-
I'm at a campground in a town with 2 tire stores and a Walmart-
What do I do?
1. 15" Michelin MS/2
2. 16" zero offset wheels and Michelin LT
3. Put the spare on and go home, then order wheels/tires from the internet?


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Go home. It's all easier from there.

And use Discount Tire or a local retailer. They'll be close enough on matching Tire Rack plus a little if you know the extended price.
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