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Old 06-29-2017, 10:35 AM   #1
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Will Pro Pride Hitch Add Tongue Weight?

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Looking to get a PP hitch and curious if it will add substantial tongue weight. if so does anyone know how much tongue weight it adds?

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Old 06-29-2017, 10:44 AM   #2
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It adds however much it weighs to the tongue weight.
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call them they can tell you . I had a Hensley shipped to my house and it was 238Lbs. but they had it in some heavy duty boxes .
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Yes. On TV and AS. And I am well within limits. How about your loads? What are they?
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They weigh about 180 lbs. Most WD/SC hitches weigh 75-80 lbs, so it's in the neighborhood of 100 lbs.

How that effects your rig configuration takes some analysis. You have a lot of research to do. Keep reading these Hitch threads. Pat
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Old 06-29-2017, 12:39 PM   #6
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For what it's worth, we love our PP hitch! And company support has been great.
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Old 06-29-2017, 02:18 PM   #7
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Hi

A bit off topic, but a possible other detail: When you un-hitch, a large part of the weight stays with the trailer. That puts it on the front jack. The jacks are heavy duty so no big issue there.

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Including the stinger, it adds 180 lbs to your Airstream tongue, but because of its added length it lengthens the distance from truck receiver to trailer axles. This gives added leverage to carry the trailer tongue, so the ProPride/Hensley adds little to nothing to trailer tongue weight carried by the tow vehicle.
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including the stinger, it adds 180 lbs to your airstream tongue, but because of its added length it lengthens the distance from truck receiver to trailer axles. This gives added leverage to carry the trailer tongue, so the propride/hensley adds little to nothing to trailer tongue weight carried by the tow vehicle.
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Including the stinger, it adds 180 lbs to your Airstream tongue, but because of its added length it lengthens the distance from truck receiver to trailer axles. This gives added leverage to carry the trailer tongue, so the ProPride/Hensley adds little to nothing to trailer tongue weight carried by the tow vehicle.
Are you saying the extra 180# is all, or mostly all, carried by the trailer axle(s)? Excuse my incredulity, but that defies logic and the theories of plane geometry. A good part of this 180# weight must get distributed to the TV's axles when the trailer is hooked up. The only time I can imagine that the 180# is wholly on the trailer is when the trailer is unhooked completely from the TV. In that case the whole 180# is mostly all on the trailer tongue.
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Ok, so it's all magic. It eliminates all of it's own weight, eliminates all of the tongue weight of the trailer and does not (from other posts) add any weight to the trailer axles at all. It also takes (from other posts) 25% of the pre-hookup scale weight off the rear axle of the TV without adding anything to the front axle of the TV. Weight just vanishes. I suspect that it soon will be providing free energy to everybody

Ok, so it really can't work that way. There are a lot of posts and you can't just randomly pick bits from each of them.

If indeed, you pull 800 lb of tongue weight off of the TV and put it on the trailer *and* put 300 lb of hitch weight all back on the trailer *and* pull a few hundred pounds off the rear axle in addition, you are well over a half ton back onto the trailer axles. Fill up the water tank and the fridge with beer - there's not much (if any) left for load on a *lot* of models.

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I recommend using helium. You can purchase helium tanks from Walmart. Simply placed one inside your Airstream, open the valves the tank, and close the door, SIMPLE! This will make your trailer all but float down the road
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Ok, so it's all magic. It eliminates all of it's own weight, eliminates all of the tongue weight of the trailer and does not (from other posts) add any weight to the trailer axles at all. It also takes (from other posts) 25% of the pre-hookup scale weight off the rear axle of the TV without adding anything to the front axle of the TV. Weight just vanishes. I suspect that it soon will be providing free energy to everybody
As previously noted, both Hensley style hitches add overall length to the rig and moves the weight transfer point farther away from the trailer axle.

Tongue weight is a factor of leverage. Have you read the posts on how to determine your tongue weight with a bathroom scale? Yes, properly setup, a bathroom scale with a maximum weight capacity of 250 pounds can accurately measure well over 1000 pounds of tongue weight - thanks to physics and leverage.

Bottom line - tongue weight is a factor of the amount of total trailer weight before and behind the trailer axle and the distance between the axle and the point where weight is transferred to the TV. Like with ANY lever, the longer the lever, the lower the tongue weight. That is also why a 300 lb torque wrench is much longer than a 150 lb wrench.
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Are you saying the extra 180# is all, or mostly all, carried by the trailer axle(s)? Excuse my incredulity, but that defies logic and the theories of plane geometry. A good part of this 180# weight must get distributed to the TV's axles when the trailer is hooked up. The only time I can imagine that the 180# is wholly on the trailer is when the trailer is unhooked completely from the TV. In that case the whole 180# is mostly all on the trailer tongue.
Much of the HITCH weight goes directly to tongue weight. HOWEVER, because the distance from the axle to the TV is longer, more of the TRAILER weight stays on the trailer axles. If the hitch did not add to the distance from the axles to the TV, then your thinking would be correct.
I have seen posts on multiple forums where people did weigh their rigs before and after putting on a Hensley style hitch. I was surprised to see how many had minimal or negative changes to tongue weight. Here is one from this forum:


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Hi,

I weighted the tongue weight of my trailer with Sherline scale. Under the PP stinger it showed 700 lbs and under the jack 900 lbs. I understand the difference, but it surprised me that it is as high as 200 lbs.

700 lbs with two full 20 lbs propane tanks is a bit (nice) surprise for me as my spec dry TW is 680 lbs. However, I moved the lithium batteries to the back of the trailer (inside). It is around 10% of the weight of the trailer ready for camping.

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