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Old 10-20-2007, 10:32 PM   #99
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Do people with big boats or horse trailers use a Hensley?
Hi Doug, People towing horse trailers generally use goose-neck trailers that are similar to 5th wheels. I'm sure there are people with big boats that use Hensley's.

Speaking from experience, I towed a 26' 5th wheel on a regular basis for about 5 years. Because the pin weight of the 5th wheel is located over the rear axle of the TV, they are very stable to tow and not subject to sway like a trailer, but sway can still occur and I experienced it.

I have towed my 28' AS with HAHA on a regular basis for about a year and a half. This setup tows better than my fifth wheel ever did. I have experienced absolutely no sway.
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Old 10-20-2007, 10:39 PM   #100
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Oooh, that Bambi was beat up wasn't it? But, go figure, no sway control at all. That's bound to happen. I think we'd all agree that sway control is needed. My WD hitch has a friction control bar on it. I assume that lessens the amount of sway that I will encounter.

2air, What is your TV/Trailer combination?

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Old 10-20-2007, 10:59 PM   #101
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...My WD hitch has a friction control bar on it. I assume that lessens the amount of sway that I will encounter.....
i don't pretend to appreciate ANYTHING about hitch options but...

many of the experts suggest friction 'control' is the least desirable...

affected by rain/snow, slows corrective actions (good or bad) and adjustment is truly black magic....

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... What is your TV/Trailer combination?Cheers, Doug
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Old 10-20-2007, 11:15 PM   #102
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2air,

Oh yeah, you're a heavy rig going down the road! I can understand the HAHA for you.

If you add much more to those weights you'll be needing a Peterbilt. ;-)

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Old 10-21-2007, 12:36 AM   #103
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Its my understanding that the Strut bars hold the orange assembly rigid. That was a given. I didn't actually have a pair of "strut " bars in the model but held the "orange part" rigid with the "frame" of the "trailer".
The only negative I could discern is if the trailer brakes failed completly and you jammed on the brakes of the tow vehicle. That could be exciting, but no less exciting than if the trailer brakes failed using the "standard" hitch under hard braking.
Again, I am still learning. When I was braking a little hard I had a problem where the unit was pulling to the left. Turns out I didn't have the trailer brakes set severe enough.
I noticed that you didn't weigh the individual axles of the trailer.
That is important to know because that will give you the weight on the individual axles/tires. Remember that the axles are unable to equalize among them selves due to the nature of the beast but must be adjusted by you with the ball height.
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Its my understanding that the Strut bars hold the orange assembly rigid. That was a given. I didn't actually have a pair of "strut " bars in the model but held the "orange part" rigid with the "frame" of the "trailer".
The only negative I could discern is if the trailer brakes failed completly and you jammed on the brakes of the tow vehicle. That could be exciting, but no less exciting than if the trailer brakes failed using the "standard" hitch under hard braking.
Again, I am still learning. When I was braking a little hard I had a problem where the unit was pulling to the left. Turns out I didn't have the trailer brakes set severe enough.
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Just took the haha on it's shakedown cruize two weeks ago. I have

access to a large vacant parking lot where we set everything up before

leaving. Part of the set-up was checking "the push" if any from the AS.

Disconnect TV, run several 20mph hard stops, if the push is there,

you WILL feel it. Speed not really a factor, it's the quickness of the stop.

Did about four such stops, made adj. they felt good, the rig was stable,

locked the bars down, connect tv, ck. brakes. Inspected the strut bars

three times in the trip, stopped straight as an............. well you know.

WHEN YOU GET THEM RIGHT DON'T OVERTIGHTEN

ADJUST BOTH SIDES EQUALLY TO MAINTAIN ALIGNMENT


Hooked up several times before leaving, just to get a little confidence.

All adjustments seemed consistant between hook-ups. we'll see if they

remain so after Spring ck-up.


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Old 10-21-2007, 02:28 AM   #106
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from what I read here even with a well setup rig but with regular hitch most experience the push-pull feel being passed by a 18 wheels... with haha it does not happen anymore...
that's it.
So I don't know how are your hw but where I am driving there is always tons of 18 wheels, week days and week end and the haha makes the drive much better.
Before the haha I never experienced any sway or not enough to be felt but the damn push-pull yes.
BTW may be the regular hitch design is just poor and may be that design is one of the reason the sway happen.
Because so far all the hitch we talk about have an anti-sway system... and it seems that they also/only cure the symptom and not the cause.
The only big difference with the haha is that the anti-sway is good enough to completely eliminate the symptom.
Or may be I didn't get it and the other hitch cure the cause of the sway... and in that case the haha, curing only the symptom, is way too much expensive.
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Actually it's easily interchangeable.
Because you can purchase a set of frame bracket to install on another trailer and you only need to remove two screws that hold the system to the frame brackets and unitch the system and put it back to the other trailer... that's still some job... but your tv is the helper.
tell me how it is to do it with another brand... of course you'll tell me that for the price of the other brand you can buy another hitch... and your right.

Regarding the fear to have your haha stolen... if really so you better be afraid to have your trailer stolen...
the haha can be lockup... with the same device that you would use to lock up your coupler...
and there is a poor chance that somebody with bad intention would carry the needed pin to hitch up a haha...
and if the device that lock up your coupler or the haha is weak enough to be broken and according to the fact that the needed haha pin is not a common piece to carry your trailer is easier to go with... because if the lockup system is broken the only thing that has to be done to leave with your trailer is to hitch it up... with the haha the bad guy will have to remove everything to get regularly hitch... so to picture that put two trailers side by side one with haha one without wich one you think the bad guy will choose...

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Some of my concerns have been stated: With my WD hitch, which was set up by my dealer, I hauled the 25ft AS through the mountains of NC, VA, and WV and it felt rock solid behind me. I can't imagine anything being that much better than my $500 hitch with friction sway bar. My AS is stored in secured lot, but I wonder if you could lock up the HAHA? I'd hate to see it stolen. Another concern for the money spent. I can only use it on one trailer? If I decided to pick up a vintage down the road, it's not easily interchangeable.

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Old 10-21-2007, 06:51 AM   #108
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[quote=yakman My AS is stored in secured lot, but I wonder if you could lock up the HAHA? I'd hate to see it stolen. Another concern for the money spent. I can only use it on one trailer? If I decided to pick up a vintage down the road, it's not easily interchangeable.

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Just got the Hensley

Just installed the Hensley

Just did the first shakedown test with the Hensley

Just winterized the trailer

Just removed Hensley

My sweet wife thinks I'm JUST crazy!!



Best way to secure for storage.....take it off!

It's really not a big deal to remove for winter storage.

All hardware except the frame brackets are easily removed.

Took down the main unit with a floorjack, but one buddy with a beer will

will work just fine.

Took longer to get it back in the box right, than it did to it take off.


Anyone else out there "TAKE IT OFF FOR WINTER?" It's not that crazy..

is it?
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Anyone else out there "TAKE IT OFF FOR WINTER?"
When in storage, all I do is cover the Hensley, electric tongue jack and battery with a $10 BBQ cover to keep the rain, snow and sun off it. It helps with security by hiding it from prying eyes (the big bulge of the electric tongue jack makes it look like just another hitch) also keeps that beautiful Allis Chalmers orange paint job looking spiffy!
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Garfield/Robert,

When installing the HAHA, did you run into any problems with the existing WD brackets or holes that are already drilled for the other hitch? Are you able to leave them on or would they have to be removed? Or better yet, can you use the same holes.. that would be ideal, but doubtful.

Speaking of holes being drilled.. beware that your 7 pin electrical cable runs along the inside of that A frame up there. Unfortunately my tech found it on my WD hitch install and it shorted at the dealer. Thankfully there and not 500 miles down the road. I lost my right rear light via a blown fuse on the TV.

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...I noticed that you didn't weigh the individual axles of the trailer...
is this directed to me?

at most cat scale sites, this isn't possible,

regardless, i've not only weighed each individual axle,

but each individual wheel/tire point...

all 7 trailer ground contact points have been weighed....

as well as the 4 tv points.

i'm a freak for details.

specific data like this overwhelms some folks...

or gets buried in better threads, while new threads with less info proliferate.

and besides we gotta hang onto SOME stuff for a cold winter day of posting...

stealing the haha?

the fact is having a haha on, actually PREVENTED/interrupted the theft of my trailer...

again i'm saving THAT story 4 another time...

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Garfield/Robert,

When installing the HAHA, did you run into any problems with the existing WD brackets or holes that are already drilled for the other hitch? Are you able to leave them on or would they have to be removed? Or better yet, can you use the same holes.. that would be ideal, but doubtful.

Speaking of holes being drilled.. beware that your 7 pin electrical cable runs along the inside of that A frame up there. Unfortunately my tech found it on my WD hitch install and it shorted at the dealer. Thankfully there and not 500 miles down the road. I lost my right rear light via a blown fuse on the TV.

Cheers,

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The hitch we took off had a friction sway control mounted on

the curbside a-frame. Well forward of the haha bracket. As you can see I

just re-installed the bolts.
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