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Old 10-19-2007, 11:56 AM   #57
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Hi guys...
perhaps you missed the reply (post 24) to your question (post 22) in the other thread last evening...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...ubt-36471.html

i've posted an answer here and MANY have added great install info...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...e-26279-7.html

look at jim clark (purchased reconditioned unit) and robertcross and tindiesels posts contained there...

many have included photos of the installation.

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Old 10-19-2007, 11:59 AM   #58
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Sway, OTOH, is an oscillation of the trailer (but not the tow vehicle) back and forth across the centerline of the tow vehicle/trailer axis that can't be controlled while driving at a constant speed without applying the trailer brakes or taking other extraordinary measures. Certainly wind loading can be a factor in initiating sway, but it isn't the cause, and it is possible to experience sway without losing control.Roger
Agreed. I've experienced sway once, caused by the WDH not being tight enough, and precipitated by a 45 mph cross wind gust. The trailer oscillated quickly three times - left-right-left - about as quickly as you can read the words, before the tow vehicle stabilized it without any intervention from me. It was completely different from the mildly unsettled floating feeling resulting from bow waves and crosswind pressure. I increased the tension on the hitch, and have not had a recurrence. My only sway experience in about 7,000 miles of towing.

Trailer loading and balance can really influence how it feels when trucks are passing. Fifty pounds more weight up front can make a noticeable difference.
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Old 10-19-2007, 05:28 PM   #59
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I suppose another more detailed question might be: What is your tow vehicle and what are you towing with it?

I noticed a HAHA equipped F-150/ 25' Excella in this thread. I can probably understand the hitch in his case. He would have to be maximizing his tow capacity on this vehicle. My Avalanche would not have been too comfortable with the 25 ft International behind it. My tow capacity was 7100lbs. With additional gear etc, I would be at nearly 90% or more of the Avalanche's tow capacity.

I was told by my local dealer that with my new truck 3/4 ton Duramax long bed, and a 25ft International that I did not need a Hensley. I trusted his word and had no problems with the WD hitch. It actually pulled better than my bass boat.

My original question is sincere and I can't help that people like to debate the product, but $3000 is a lot of money to spend on the hitch. Frankly I never realized that a WD was such an inferior product.

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Agreed. I've experienced sway once, caused by the WDH not being tight enough, and precipitated by a 45 mph cross wind gust. The trailer oscillated quickly three times - left-right-left - about as quickly as you can read the words, before the tow vehicle stabilized it without any intervention from me. It was completely different from the mildly unsettled floating feeling resulting from bow waves and crosswind pressure. I increased the tension on the hitch, and have not had a recurrence. My only sway experience in about 7,000 miles of towing.

Trailer loading and balance can really influence how it feels when trucks are passing. Fifty pounds more weight up front can make a noticeable difference.
...and that's one of the virtues of the Hensley. Once installed, there's nothing to adjust or check or worry about. Just hitch up, crank-up the barrel jacks to the preset mark and drive. The peace of mind alone is worth the cost to me.
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Old 10-19-2007, 06:49 PM   #61
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Forgive me - I am traveling (but home tomorrow!) - so my posts are widely spaced.

Roger, I agree that sway is oscillation. My previous example was on point, though, but it was describing a wide-period sway. So wide, that it was only noticable, not dangerous. Now suppose that the speed differential was greater, the bow wave was much greater, and I was not paying attention. And I was going downhill, in a crosswind. And I had traveled too far that day.

Kevin (God love him) never has this problem - as long as he is passing and never slows down, he will never have this problem. He is truly pulling a "trailer" and enforces this concept with forward force.

I don't have a Hensley, but will likely get one. I'd have ordered one earlier, but there was this Navaho rug on sale at Goulding's.

What I would be buying for 3K is forgiveness. And I am a believer in "buy it once......"

There is no doubt that there are thousands of drivers out there who are way overloaded, that are way underpowered, that are way inexperienced, that are way overaggressive. But I do believe that what we are looking for is equipment that will help us though the absolutely unexpected. I think the Hensley is an order above the others. I now have a dual-cam and it feels good. Just rolled through some very severe weather in LA. Dual-cam did wonderfully.

I'll still upgrade to a Hensley as my long-term solution. Wish it cost less.

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Old 10-19-2007, 07:24 PM   #62
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Joe,

I concur we're beating a dead horse. I believe you're impressed with the performance of your hitch, and I have said repeatedly that I understand that the hitch performs. What I said wasn't that I wanted emperical or anecdotal experiences of which the Internet abounds, but the emperical results of controlled testing (which still hasn't been done, to my knowledge). Many of the folks who have bought Hensleys have no other experience with which to compare.

I appreciate your offer of test driving your truck and trailer (which, for those of you who haven't seen Joe's rig, is one of the most gorgeous rigs I've ever seen!), but out of the box, I'd expect it to be one of the most stable rigs on the road, even on a bare ball because of the weight and wheelbase of your truck, and the fact that the 34' tri-axle trailer is one of the most stable trailers on the road as well. If there are few issues to control, then I'd expect any hitch would work just fine.

An interesting clue is actually offered in the Trailer Life article you mentioned... it describes that the Hensley did wonders for a the lifted RamCharger short wheelbase tow vehicle attached to a trailer, but the article continues: "Of course, the new Dodge pickup exhibited nice road manners with the conventional hitch and friction sway control."

So, the question remains... is the performance of the Hensley so significantly improved over the other products on the market as to warrant spending four to five times the money for it? For those of you who own one, obviously that answer was yes. For those of us who aren't as ready to become true believers absent independent objective comparative testing results... the answer is... at least for me, probably not.

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If you really wanted to know - buy one and try it. They have a trial period, with money back guarantee. That would end the discussion.
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My own experience was that once my hitch was set up properly, and the engineering issues resolved with my relatively short-wheelbase tow vehicle (short for towing a 34' trailer anyway) that I experienced the same kind of handling expressed by owners of the Hensley with my Excursion/34' tri axle rig and my Reese.



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Have I missed your post about how dissappointed you are with your new

Hensley?............. When did you send it Back?
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If you really wanted to know - buy one and try it. They have a trial period, with money back guarantee. That would end the discussion.
Uwe, I'm speechless.

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Have I missed your post about how dissappointed you are with your new

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Huh? I was talking about my Reese dual cam and how stable my 34' was behind my Excursion with it properly adjusted, and the fundamental engineering flaws in the suspension on the Excursion fixed.

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Huh? I was talking about my Reese dual cam and how stable my 34' was behind my Excursion with it properly adjusted, and the fundamental engineering flaws in the suspension on the Excursion fixed.

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So you never towed your Rig with the Hensley!
Apparently you haven't read my posts? No, I have not towed with a Hensley. I believe I've been quite clear about that. What I said was that I describe my towing experience with my Reese in exactly the same terms that folks here have described their towing experience with their Hensleys.

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Apparently you haven't read my posts? No, I have not towed with a Hensley. I believe I've been quite clear about that. What I said was that I describe my towing experience with my Reese in exactly the same terms that folks here have described their towing experience with their Hensleys.

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I'm kind of surprised that none of the HAHA users have admitted that the product might just be a little overpriced. If I ever buy one, it would be an insurance policy to allow me to travel faster in lousy weather or heavy truck traffic, but I certainly wouldn't be happy about the price.

I received my Hensley packet today and watched the DVD. After seeing the senior citizen testimonials and watching the older couple tow their triple axle AS with a Lincoln Continental, I'm assuming that Hensley is targeting the full-timer senior citizen with a questionable tow vehicle.

No owner of the hitch has bad mouthed it, but for $3000, I would expect someone to knock on my door and install it for free. Are their any machinists out there who could estimate the cost for the materials used in this hitch? I just have to believe that someone is rollings carts of dollars to the bank with this one.

Another question to ponder is why only travel trailers? What about 30 foot boats that weigh 12,000 lbs and ride on three axles? They don't run on Hensleys (at least they don't advertise to the boat crowd) and big cruisers seem to have a lot more surface area to be affected by wind/semis.
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I'm kind of surprised that none of the HAHA users have admitted that the product might just be a little overpriced. If I ever buy one, it would be an insurance policy to allow me to travel faster in lousy weather or heavy truck traffic, but I certainly wouldn't be happy about the price.
If you think it is overpriced, then the answer is not to buy one. I don't think Hensley owners have a problem with that. You have pointed out that we owners don't think our Hensleys were overpriced. Even if you can't fool all of the people all of the time, perhaps Hensley owners are particularly gullible, but that seems unlikely.

As for how much one SHOULD cost, I haven't a clue. To the best of my knowledge, it is a small American company with a very limited market which means that they probably have low volume sales. If someone got rich off of my single purchase of a Hensley five years ago, more power to them. When I look at the thing now, at least another 25 years of service from it seems likely. Spread over 30 years, if I am still towing my Airstream, my annualized purchase price (which was less than $3000) will be quite low, even counting the loss of interest if the money had been in the bank instead.
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