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Old 09-14-2012, 08:05 PM   #29
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You want W/D bars that are matched to the trailer tongue weight, so you do not make the assy. too stiff running down our rough roads. Stiff bars (Equalizers seem stiffer than others of the same rating) make for damage to the trailer and a rougher ride. Do not try to out run the truck rolling down large hills. That seems to be the biggest cause for accidents. Properly setting the brake controller and knowing when to override is a learned art. Keep a safe following distance 1 1/2 times as much if you were traveling without the trailer.
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Old 09-14-2012, 08:20 PM   #30
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It's what it is. Someone's opinion and you know it is, And you take it as that. Maybe they have tried 2-4 different ones, this is their evidence.
When the question is asked do you really think everyone is going to agree?
Do you really think there is going to be a consensus?
Do you really think the hard data is out there to even make that kind of claim? Nope there never will be. And it's not something that can be figured out with numbers. To many variables.
When a question is asked the answers are 99% opinion on any forum Like the best TV, What length trailer is the best, etc.

I'm just saying to call it outlandish is a little much when we know it's opinion.

If a persons opinion is; "it's the best." Then it is in their opinion. There is nothing outlandish about this. There are however, people making outlandish speculations with numbers lately on how WD works. Personally with my experience with 3 WD hitches I think andersen does have the best sway control. This is not outlandish, it is my opinion. I don't have to state it as my opinion because most here take it at that. Your new so maybe you haven't realized this yet.

Now if I said; "Andersen was the only one who could control sway and no others." That's is outlandish and everyone knows it is.
Whooaaa...take it easy there pal. The hostility is uncalled for, and really unpleasant.

We'll just have to agree to disagree here on what is an "outlandish" claim - and leave it at that.

When I read, "My opinion is........." I know to take that as just an opinion - everyone has them. When I read, "Brand X is the best WD." I know I should be looking for data, or proofs to back up that kind of absolute claim. It isn't hard to tell an opinion from an absolute claim.
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Old 09-14-2012, 08:22 PM   #31
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The Blue Ox sway pro can be had with 550, 750, 1000, or 1500 pound bars. The rest of the hitch is the same parts, so if you need to change up or down in bar rating, all you have to replace is the bars.
The design is also such that you do not have to grease the ends of the bars when you insert them into the head, so you do not have to deal with that issue. The sway control is 'adjustable' by setting the sway control bolts to different torque values.
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Old 09-14-2012, 08:59 PM   #32
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Whooaaa...take it easy there pal. The hostility is uncalled for, and really unpleasant.

We'll just have to agree to disagree here on what is an "outlandish" claim - and leave it at that.

When I read, "My opinion is........." I know to take that as just an opinion - everyone has them. When I read, "Brand X is the best WD." I know I should be looking for data, or proofs to back up that kind of absolute claim. It isn't hard to tell an opinion from an absolute claim.
No hostility intended just my opinion. I think your expecting a lot of people to have to prove what they think is best, and calling people's opinion "outlandish" is rather hostel IMO.
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:16 PM   #33
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Before you get caught up in hitch opinions, you might want to just hook up your trailer on the ball and tow it down to the nearest truck scale and find out what everything weighs separately and together. If you load your trailer and truck up with gear, even better. Take height measurements at the truck fenders to measure the drop when hitched. Tow around the area and see how it feels. Then you can make a better decision on what will work.

I towed a 19' Bambi with only a friction sway bar and was fine. But if loaded with water and bikes and gear, the WD hitch was a definite helper. You have to find out what will work best with your truck and your trailer.
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:24 PM   #34
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No hostility intended just my opinion. I think your expecting a lot of people to have to prove what they think is best, and calling people's opinion "outlandish" is rather hostel IMO.
Incorrect. I don't expect anyone to prove their "opinions", and never said that. I said if they make an "absolute claim" I would be looking for proof or evidence. An "absolute claim" is a declaration, such as, "Brand X has the best WD." If it was an opinion, it would have the words "opinion" or "I believe" or "I think" in the sentence. EX: "In my opinion, Brand X has the best WD." That's an opinion.

I have never called anyone's opinion outlandish. Ever. I said exactly this: "Many outrageous claims are made about hitches - both positive and negative - and only very rarely is there any scientific evidence or analysis to support these claims." And I stand by that sentence 100%.

I never mentioned the word opinion. It was you who decided that I was talking about opinions, and began posting argumentative comments about something I didn't even say. Please, just read the post I made and don't add words and ideas that aren't there.
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:35 PM   #35
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Does anyone have a recommendation as to which Company makes the best and easiest to setup Weight distributing/Anti-sway hitch that works best for a 2012 20ft Flying Cloud that is also a reasonable cost? Thanks Frank
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I think the low price end is around $450 for WD and anti-sway. And the top is maybe $3500. The very popular ones are about $600. I think everyone of them will work with your easy to tow rig. That is, they will distribute weight, and they will damp sway.

What price sounds reasonable to you?
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:40 PM   #36
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You want W/D bars that are matched to the trailer tongue weight, so you do not make the assy. too stiff running down our rough roads. Stiff bars (Equalizers seem stiffer than others of the same rating) make for damage to the trailer and a rougher ride. Do not try to out run the truck rolling down large hills. That seems to be the biggest cause for accidents. Properly setting the brake controller and knowing when to override is a learned art. Keep a safe following distance 1 1/2 times as much if you were traveling without the trailer.
Hi, I believe this statement to be hear-say. I have not seen any proof of damage from this hitch, have you? Stiffer? If you are referring to Andy's B.S. test, he compared Equal-i-zer 1,000 lb bars to Reese 800 or 850 lb bars. Hardly comparable.
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:48 PM   #37
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Mstpephens, so is it your opinion, or are you stating a "fact" without support? I am always reading things that people say about running with the fridge on, the use of trailer tires or LT tires, hitches and so on and I agree with you. Some make some rather outlandish statements and I feel we should hold them accountable.

That said, you said this in an earlier post.

"Then there are some really costly hitches that do an even better job, but would you need that for a simple rig like yours?"

So you think it is a "fact" that the more costly the hitch is, the better job it will do? Or, is this just your opinion, and if so why didn't you include an "I believe" or "it is my opinion that" in there somewhere? I was the guy who earlier mentioned the can of worms that was about to be opened. I read through the posts and frankly, I thought they were very fair and gave the OP much to think about. Why tell the OP that if he wants the best, he should pay the big bucks? Not very helpful in my "opinion".
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:54 PM   #38
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Hi, I believe this statement to be hear-say. I have not seen any proof of damage from this hitch, have you? Stiffer? If you are referring to Andy's B.S. test, he compared Equal-i-zer 1,000 lb bars to Reese 800 or 850 lb bars. Hardly comparable.
I'd love to see a technical analysis which shows how stiff bars of the Equalizer cause a harsh ride. Some data with some formula's explaining the means by which this happens.
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:36 PM   #39
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Mstpephens, so is it your opinion, or are you stating a "fact" without support? I am always reading things that people say about running with the fridge on, the use of trailer tires or LT tires, hitches and so on and I agree with you. Some make some rather outlandish statements and I feel we should hold them accountable.

That said, you said this in an earlier post.

"Then there are some really costly hitches that do an even better job, but would you need that for a simple rig like yours?"

So you think it is a "fact" that the more costly the hitch is, the better job it will do? Or, is this just your opinion, and if so why didn't you include an "I believe" or "it is my opinion that" in there somewhere? I was the guy who earlier mentioned the can of worms that was about to be opened. I read through the posts and frankly, I thought they were very fair and gave the OP much to think about. Why tell the OP that if he wants the best, he should pay the big bucks? Not very helpful in my "opinion".
I think you'll find I didn't say that, nor did I imply it with my post. What I said about costly hitches is that they do a "better job." I'd be happy to dispense with that right now so as to bring it to a peaceful end here.

"Better Job" - Comparing the Anderson Hitch WD Function to the Pro-Pride Hitch Function. In order to complete the "job" a WD hitch has to be able to properly distribute the required weight for a given TV/TT configuration.

Cost:
Pro-Pride: $2445
Anderson: $495

Findings and Facts:
  1. The ProPride is really more costly
  2. The Anderson WD system is limited by a 2,000# chain rating which provides a limit on how much weight can be transferred with certain TV/TT combinations. For example, mine. I need 300 - 400 pounds of WD, and with my rig that would put far more than 2000# of strain on the 2000# rated chains. I call that a "no function".
  3. The ProPride doesn't have this functional limitation.
Conclusion: The costlier hitch does a "better job" at WD than that less costly hitch.
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Hi, I believe this statement to be hear-say. I have not seen any proof of damage from this hitch, have you? Stiffer? If you are referring to Andy's B.S. test, he compared Equal-i-zer 1,000 lb bars to Reese 800 or 850 lb bars. Hardly comparable.
That test was not designed to compare one bar against another.

It was however designed, to show the stiffness of various bars.

Then it was up to an individual to make their own choice.

I also feel that when someone invests time and money, to help promote more knowledge for travel trailer owners, that naming it BS, it rather crude and unnecessary.

I don't see anyone else stepping up to the plate, to do what I did regarding the bars.

Perhaps you misunderstood the real purpose of those tests.

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I'd love to see a technical analysis which shows how stiff bars of the Equalizer cause a harsh ride. Some data with some formula's explaining the means by which this happens.
Our tests showed exactly what your asking for.

The less a bar deflects with a given load, the stiffer the bar.

The stiffer the bar, the harscher the ride.

The the real question becomes, "how much of a harsch ride can you subject a give model Airstream to, without inflicting damages".

Obviously, as everyone knows, an Airstream must have a soft ride.

The more the ride is changed towards the harsch side, the more damages will happen to the trailer, over time.

But, the choice is still with the owner, and their opinion.

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I would also like to add that the jury is still out on the Andersen hitch. Just follow that thread and you will read numerous posts, including mine, that show the set up can be troublesome . Also, there is the chain wear thing taking place at the location where they exit the tubes. That HAS to get solved. While everyone who has it likes it, incuding myself, it is , IMHO, a work still in process.
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