WD hitch, better to be under rated or over rated?

[JJTX]

Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS

"They said that using the 600LB rated hitch on a trailer with a 550 weight was a bad idea because you would likely exceed the hitch rating."

Baloney...even a class one hitch is rated at 2000lb. The rating of the bars is spring weight not receiver rating.

You won't need to move 550lb of TW, possibly as little as 150-200lbs. Sounds like a sales pitch to me.��

Bob
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Its not baloney. I'm talking about tongue weight. 550LB is the starting weight on a Bambi 19.

The trailer weight rating, is not what I'm referring to, which would be within the 6000LB rating on the 600/6000. But not the tongue.

[smithcreek]

Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS

You won't need to move 550lb of TW, possibly as little as 150-200lbs. Sounds like a sales pitch to me.😂🇺🇸

The spring bar rating is for the tongue weight not how much you want to transfer.

[ROBERT CROSS]

Originally Posted by smithcreek

The spring bar rating is for the tongue weight not how much you want to transfer.

😳 No...WD spring rate is for the amount needed to move, not TW.
What is the sense of 1400lb bars if you only need to move 720 lbs, (our example). 1000lb bars moving 560 to the FA and 160 to the AS.
The lighter the bar, the better the ride.


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"Its not baloney. I'm talking about tongue weight. 550LB is the starting weight on a Bambi 19.

The trailer weight rating, is not what I'm referring to, which would be within the 6000LB rating on the 600/6000. But not the tongue."

Ok it's bratwurst...😂

So 550 is the starting weight...what is the real weight? I doubt you will need to move all 500lb.

Bob
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[JJTX]

Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS

😳 No...WD spring rate is for the amount needed to move, not TW.
What is the sense of 1400lb bars if you only need to move 720 lbs, (our example). 1000lb bars moving 560 to the FA and 160 to the AS.
The lighter the bar, the better the ride.


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"Its not baloney. I'm talking about tongue weight. 550LB is the starting weight on a Bambi 19.

The trailer weight rating, is not what I'm referring to, which would be within the 6000LB rating on the 600/6000. But not the tongue."

Ok it's bratwurst...😂

So 550 is the starting weight...what is the real weight? I doubt you will need to move all 500lb.

Bob
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I'm guessing, until I weigh it, that I will be at 600LB when I have water and basic camping gear on board. So using a hitch rated at 600LB is not a good idea.

The rep at EZ hitch said you would have to have the 10K bars to begin to have a 'stiff' ride.

Can I say that on here??

[smithcreek]

Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS

�� No...WD spring rate is for the amount needed to move, not TW.
What is the sense of 1400lb bars if you only need to move 720 lbs, (our example). 1000lb bars moving 560 to the FA and 160 to the AS.
The lighter the bar, the better the ride. ����

Maybe you should tell Reese, Husky, Equalizer that you know better and they are doing it wrong then. They sell bars based on tongue weight.


The spring bars also dampen the porpoising effect. Bars that are too light will transfer too much of the bouncing to only the rear axle, not both. That's probably why the rep JJTX talked to said to use the correct bars, not ones that are too light.

[JJTX]

damit wrong thread !

[JJTX]

Originally Posted by smithcreek

Maybe you should tell Reese, Husky, Equalizer that you know better and they are doing it wrong then. They sell bars based on tongue weight.


The spring bars also dampen the porpoising effect. Bars that are too light will transfer too much of the bouncing to only the rear axle, not both. That's probably why the rep JJTX talked to said to use the correct bars, not ones that are too light.

Yeah he made a point of saying not to run a 600LB rated one at 600 or more as a rule. Use the next one higher, which in my case was the 800/8000 Trunnion for the 19 Bambi.

[smithcreek]

Originally Posted by JJTX

Yeah he made a point of saying not to run a 600LB rated one at 600 or more as a rule. Use the next one higher, which in my case was the 800/8000 Trunnion for the 19 Bambi.

We bought our trailer used, a FC20, tongue weight 630 lbs. It came with a Reese hitch with 600 lb. max tongue weight. Adjusted for proper weight distribution according to CAT scales, it still porpoised more than I was comfortable with. I bought some 800 lb. max tongue weight bars and the rig rides much better. Makes sense since the 600 lb. bars are rated for 300-600 lbs. putting me out of range, whereas the 800 lb. bars are rated 400-800 lbs., putting me right in the middle.

[JJTX]

Originally Posted by smithcreek

We bought our trailer used, a FC20, tongue weight 630 lbs. It came with a Reese hitch with 600 lb. max tongue weight. Adjusted for proper weight distribution according to CAT scales, it still porpoised more than I was comfortable with. I bought some 800 lb. max tongue weight bars and the rig rides much better. Makes sense since the 600 lb. bars are rated for 300-600 lbs. putting me out of range, whereas the 800 lb. bars are rated 400-800 lbs., putting me right in the middle.

Yeah they are a 'range' of weight so that makes sense for that experience in your case.

My new 4" drop shank comes tomorrow. It should drop mine down an inch or so more that I need in any case, and I can go down another hole if I need to to.

[ROBERT CROSS]

Originally Posted by JJTX

I'm guessing, until I weigh it, that I will be at 600LB when I have water and basic camping gear on board. So using a hitch rated at 600LB is not a good idea.

The rep at EZ hitch said you would have to have the 10K bars to begin to have a 'stiff' ride.

Can I say that on here??

A hitch rated at 600lb...explain. I have never heard of a hitch rated at 600lb.

I also have never heard of 10k WD bars.
The 1400lb spring bars on our rig were noticeably stiffer than the 1000lb replacements

Still sounds like a sales pitch based on faulty assumptions...get your actual weights and proceed accordingly.👍

Bob
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[ROBERT CROSS]

Originally Posted by smithcreek

Maybe you should tell Reese, Husky, Equalizer that you know better and they are doing it wrong then. They sell bars based on tongue weight.


The spring bars also dampen the porpoising effect. Bars that are too light will transfer too much of the bouncing to only the rear axle, not both. That's probably why the rep JJTX talked to said to use the correct bars, not ones that are too light.

Tongue weight or hitched weight...this may be where we differ. I measure TW un-hitched on a Sherline scale, 1200lb fully loaded for our rig.
When hitched I have 840lbs to move.


etrailer,

..."If the bars of the system you choose are rated too high for your setup, they will create a rigid ride, which can result in a bouncing trailer. If, on the other hand, the bars are not rated high enough, the system will be unable to properly distribute the weight, rendering it virtually useless."

Bob
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[JJTX]

Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS

A hitch rated at 600lb...explain. I have never heard of a hitch rated at 600lb.

I also have never heard of 10k WD bars.
The 1400lb spring bars on our rig were noticeably stiffer than the 1000lb replacements

Still sounds like a sales pitch based on faulty assumptions...get your actual weights and proceed accordingly.👍

Bob
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I'm talking about the tongue rating.

[ROBERT CROSS]

So if your class 3 receiver is limited to 600lb tongue weight it's not WD rated.

Class III - Larger trailers and accessories

"Class III hitches used as weight carrying are rated up to 6000 lbs. gross trailer weight (GTW) with a 600 lbs. maximum trailer tongue weight (TW).
Class III hitches used for weight distributing are rated up to 10,000 lbs. gross trailer weight (GTW) with a 1000 lbs. maximum trailer tongue weight (TW)
Class III hitches are weight carrying (WC) and also are weight distributing (WD) depending on the vehicle and hitch specifications.
Not all Class III hitches are rated to be both. See the specific hitch for that information.
A Class III hitch usually has a 2" square receiver opening.
A higher class ball mount does not increase the towing capacity of the hitch. To use this class of hitch for weight distribution requires a weight distribution system.
Class III hitches attach to the vehicle frame only."

Bob
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