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Old 10-06-2009, 01:23 PM   #1
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The unofficial pp users guide...

hello

it's time for a new hitch thread...

and this is it.

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Old 10-06-2009, 01:29 PM   #2
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a little background & a few playground rules...

ok, we are started.

in mid 2008 a NEW version Pivot Point Projection hitch apparatus came to the market.

over the last 2 years there has been some discussion of this new gizmo...

these threads are all worthy of reading.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...ach-37994.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...ket-42311.html

RV.Net Open Roads Forum: Travel Trailers: Hensley Alternative???

recently i purchased one, as many others on this forum have done...

my pp has been installed and now i'm pulling with a pp...

previously i've towed with the haha,

and many users of THAT product have joined me in building an archive of useful information here...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...ide-26279.html

all of the good stuff on THAT hitch is IN that thread...
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the goal of THIS thread is to build a similar collection of USEFUL posts on the pp.

and to help each other USE this contraption.

IF you have a pp, tow with a pp, WANNA learn more about USING the pp please JOIN me in this effort.

but PLEASE don't use this thread for endless (and un resolvable) debate on NEED, PRICE, WHICH BRAND, or vendor squabbles.

just scan the HITCH section here and pull up a thread for that purpose.

YES, there are other threads and places to put that nonsense.

BUT HERE....

let's try to stick to HELPING each other with our pp-z...

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Old 10-06-2009, 01:33 PM   #3
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Which one 4 me ???

some will be debating the purchase of ONE or THE OTHER...

here are places to do just that...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...ide-45987.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...-3p-51958.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...hes-54158.html

and even a place for hybrids, and franknhitches...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...ger-46627.html


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Old 10-06-2009, 01:39 PM   #4
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is there a method to THIS madness...?

my basic plan here is to...

-get us rolling (done)
-solicit OWNERS and USERS to JOIN ME here...
-set the tone and chart a basic course (in this post)
-provide a brief background NOW (links) with more LATER...
-show before n after shots of my set up
-provide a QUIK INSTALL GUIDE, very basic with photos.

then...

-go back and cover the install and setup in great DETAIL
-with every nut/bolt, measurement, adjustment and so on...
-discuss the issues of FITTING relative to 'streams and the crap collected on the stream tongue
-do a side by side comparison of EACH basic component of the haha and pp, explore the differences good OR bad
-explore the ADJUSTABLE stinger in greater detail and fine tuning the fit for various rigs...

then...

wander OFF into hookups, leveling, towing issues, pp care, preflight checks, customer service, resources, online stuff and so on...
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there is no way 2 predict EXACTLY how this thread unfolds and the list of topics and needs may wander, deviate and circle back...

which is the organic nature of threads like this.

no doubt folks will have questions about the haha and this is NOT THE PLACE for those questions...

and it's not the place for a pissnmatch on other hitches.

ok?

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Old 10-06-2009, 01:47 PM   #5
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OK

here is the stream's PAST and CURRENT nose...

i like the look of the new nose job.

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Old 10-06-2009, 01:51 PM   #6
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boxes, LOTS of boxes....

the pp is delivered...

VERY nicely packed.

and i'll come back to the INSIDES of these boxes, later...
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looks like ~234 lbs.

subtract 15 lbs for the packaging stuff ...

and it comes in at ~220 lbs or 100 kg.

remember to lift with the legs, not the back!

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Old 10-06-2009, 02:06 PM   #7
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quik install step ZERO...

installation begins with prep'ing the trailer tongue...

remove a bunch of stuff...

-the tank cover and tanks,
-flag holders,
-OLD HITCH parts,
-move the safety chains OUT of the way,
-tidy up the break-away brake wiring
-lay the 7 pin connector clear...
-remove (or not) the stainless tongue sleeves (classics), which typically have a LOT of rust underneath
-(the pp CAN be installed with the ss sleeves ON if desired)
-clean the cup of old grease
-clean up the box/lid
-deal with batteries or other gadgets (gensets) mounted on the tongue...
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this is also a good time to repair any ISSUE on the tongue.

for example HOLES drilled for other hitches, rust, flaking paint, wiring, gas fittings, battery boxes and so on...

in my case the HOLES are patched and rust scuffed down, while AWAITING the por 15 and glossy a/s tongue paint...
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so here is my nekked tongue ready for install (but before the fresh paint)

it's really odd to see the tongue so bare given the crap typically mounted...

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the next few posts are just a BASIC/QUIK visual on install,

the pp comes with an instruction set with the DETAILS...

so this NOT the complete instructions (yet)

and serve only as a quick visual (and to help devoman...)
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Old 10-06-2009, 02:14 PM   #8
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quik install step 1...

install weight distribution jacks...

one on EACH SIDE,

~ 25 inches from the cup, along the A frame.

the U bolts are tightened JUST to firm, NO MORE than 20-30 ft-lbs.

these can be repositioned SLIGHTLY as needed to clear tongue stuff.

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Old 10-06-2009, 02:26 PM   #9
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How does the PP come to the HAHA as far as the weight of the entire unit?

Also what is the weight of the height-adjustable stinger?

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Old 10-06-2009, 02:29 PM   #10
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quik install step 2...

attach frame bracket...

the frame bracket is used to center the tail of the YOKE...

-the frame bracket and hardware are clearly labeled (see the first pic)

-mark a spot ~20 inches from the cup along the A frame rails...

-attach using the U bolts/plates/washers/nuts...

-CENTER this bracket relative to the A frame width and FIRM up the nuts...

here are some random views...

and a PIC showing the w/d jacks AND frame bracket mounted...

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How does the PP come to the HAHA as far as the weight of the entire unit?

Also what is the weight of the height-adjustable stinger?

Brian
hi brian...

the total weight is ~ the same, maybe a little less DEPENDING on which fixed drop stinger is used with the haha.

i'll post pics comparing EACH element for size/shape later...

the adjustable pp stinger is IN the lower R box in post #6.

that box is ~52 lbs shipping weight, so i'm guessing the stinger is ~48-50 lbs

(there was misc bits of hardware in that box too)

i'll post pix of both brand stingers sidebyside, since the dimensions are different...

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quik install step 3...

attach MAIN hitch head...

next comes the PP main hitch/head unit...

yes my pp has a head...
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best way to lift/mount the head is to USE the stinger and tow vehicle RECEIVER BOX...

to LIFT, back up and place the pp main hitch/head OVER the ball...

don't forget to grease the ball.

pics here show...

1-the main pp head...

2-the pp head attached to the stinger attached to the truck...

((in this 2nd pic on the right, the cover plate is removed and the A frame/cup outlined for orientation.))

(many of these pics have RED and SILVER TARGETS drawn on the hitch head. these spots MARK the 4 bearing/pivot points)

(i added these marks to better show the pivots and 4 bar linkage, the RED and SILVER targets aren't part of the factory paint)

but i'll gladly MARK UP your pp, for a price...


3-placement of the head/ball UNDER the cup on the A frame

4-lowering of cup OVER the ball ON the main hitch head...

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Old 10-06-2009, 02:58 PM   #13
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Intermission...

ok early readers,

time 4 a pause.

the laptop battery is running LOW

while the bladder is running HIGH

so we'll get back to the quik install (only 4 more steps) shortly...

i gotta take a break from the unofficial pp users guide...

4 a different kind of pee pee (no user help needed)

back in 30 minutes.

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hello

it's time for a new hitch thread...

and this is it.

cheers
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I Haven't towed a whole lot yet with the ProPride (maybe 500 miles, however I have hitched and unhitched a lot. Since the trailer and hitch are both new, I don't have much grounds for comparison. The ride however is definitely smoother than my previous trailer and Equal-I-Zer.
I have found it very quick and easy to hitch and unhitch. I learned that it is unnecessary to remember the angle of the tow vehicle when unhitching.
This is my hitching procedure:
I purchased a pair of the magnetic based yellow sticks. I place one on the end of the stinger, and the other on the lip of the box on the trailer.
We position the truck to back toward the trailer. I then position the head of the hitch on the trailer so the box is aimed at the stinger. If the truck is coming in from an angle to the left, the hitch head must off set to the right and visa versa. My wife then backs the trailer using the top of the poles as a guide. When the stinger is an inch or two from the box, the truck is stopped, as I align the box and stinger vertically using the tongue jack. The truck is then backed gently into the box. Both OCLs are fastened and lynch pins inserted. I then raise both WD jacks 35 full turns. Finally I hook up the safety chains and raise the trailer jack.
To unhitch, I first release the safety chains and then crank both WD jacks full down. I then use the trailer jack to raise the tongue slightly. Then I release both OCLs. Next the trailer jack is raised while closely watching the hitch. When the weight is fully off of the truck, the hitch will move noticeably, (this motion is especially noticeable in the Rock Tamers bars). Then simply pull the truck forward.
It is not the order things are in the manual, but it works great for me. I have not tried it, but I am sure I could do it by myself, with a bit of hopping in and out of the truck.
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