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Old 11-24-2009, 10:10 PM   #121
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stinger adjustability 3...

now assembled for a little LESS drop...

level and ~2-2.5 inches down.

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again it can be tilted UP or down as needed...

use your imagination for the pics...

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Old 11-24-2009, 10:12 PM   #122
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I see how it is done, but how do you keep it?

Hi, OK now I see how the tilt is made; In the other pictures I was not able to see the slotted holes. Now when you get the angle you want, what keeps it from moving? Torque on the bolts alone? A rough or machined surface to give the pieces some extra grip? Spacers in the wedge area? Or maybe a few half moons to fill the gaps at the slotted bolt holes?
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Old 11-24-2009, 10:19 PM   #123
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stinger adjustability 4...

and here is the bar at LEVEL with NO DROP....


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with a close up of the ZERO drop and down tilt position,


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showing 2 of th bolts removed to expose the oval holes that allow tilting...

click to see BIGGER...

it should be noted that >>>>propride ALSO SUPPLIES A 12 INCH DROP version<<<<

this has to be ordered (different bar/holes) but only add 2-3 lbs to the bar and will work with higher RAISED tow vehicles...

very nice!

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Old 11-24-2009, 10:27 PM   #124
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now assembled for a little LESS drop...

level and ~2-2.5 inches down.

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again it can be tilted UP or down as needed...

The tilt feature, ALONE, is why I would choose this hitch over the competition. Just my luck it came out not so long after I made my purchase. Being able to get the stinger the EXACT height, and the (relative) amount of (possible) weight transfer nailed in place is a great advance, IMO.

That there are other improvements/options just makes it that much more appealing.

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Old 11-24-2009, 10:28 PM   #125
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pp stinger components 1...

the design AND components of the pp stinger allow for this full range adjustability.

here is a shot of the PARTS that make it happen.


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zoom to see CLOSER...

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Old 11-24-2009, 10:35 PM   #126
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pp stinger components 2...

key elements are these 3 bolts (grade 8) that hold 2gether the assembly...


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they limit rotation and flex and laterial movement,

along with the reinforcements on EACH side of the drop section...

note that the middle bolt has a SPLIT/lock washer while the top/lower have large flat washers.
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TILT is precisely set and HELD fixed by this fat solid rivet and washers...

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Old 11-24-2009, 10:43 PM   #127
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pp stinger components 3...

viewing the front section of the stinger from the INNER side,

reveals 2 holes (top/bottom) that will accept the rivet and washer/spacers...


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UP tilt and DOWN tilt are determined by which HOLE is used,

while DEGREE of tilt is altered by adding 1-4 of the washers...



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Old 11-24-2009, 10:54 PM   #128
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pp stinger components 4...

in this pic only the RIVET is inserted...

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which results in LEVEL/even positioning, with NO tilt.

while here ONE washer is added providing 1-2 degrees tilt...


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or ALL (4) washers which INCREASEs the tilt to the max.


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the pics above all result in DOWNWARD tilt,

while using the other hole would TILT the stinger UPward.

(i know it's confusing but the pics are 180 degrees OFF, or the bottom is a view from the TOP)

ENLARGE for a better view of the rivet/washer stack...

because the rivet head is UNDER COMPRESSION once assembled, hitched and the w/d bars tensioned...

the 2 segments CANNOT move...

it isn't the BOLTS/slotted holes that fix the position, it's the rivet/washers...

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Old 11-24-2009, 11:00 PM   #129
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pp stinger assembly 1...

to assemble the stinger first measure the receiver box height...

inner/upper edge is the value to detemine...

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and in THIS example above, it's ~20 inches...

which translates into ~5-6 inches of drop (see post #119 for that set up)


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Old 11-24-2009, 11:01 PM   #130
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Two rivets.

Hi, so if I want it level, can I install two rivets without washers to make it even more secure? The gap should be the same on the top and bottom, so two rivets should fit. [one in each hole of-course]
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Old 11-24-2009, 11:06 PM   #131
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pp stinger assembly 2...

next insert the FRONT section of the stinger into the receiver

and USE THE HITCH PIN to stabilize.

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then add the rivet and 0-4 washers depending on desired/predicted tilt.

seen above with 1 washer/spacer ...

zoom for better detail...

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Old 11-24-2009, 11:12 PM   #132
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Hi, so if I want it level, can I install two rivets without washers to make it even more secure? The gap should be the same on the top and bottom, so two rivets should fit. [one in each hole of-course]
NO BOB, it my understanding 2 rivets will NOT fit.

the center 2 holes will NOT match up if 2 of the standard rivets are used.

go back and look at the 4 holes in the stinger/side view... they are NOT stacked evenly.

i suppose one COULD insert something (a shaved down rivet) into each hole...

but you'd need to grind/custom fit the rivets for that.
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i don't think it's gonna MOVE with just one rivet,

because THAT one washer is UNDER compression after the assembly and w/d tensioning.

((are U planning to buy a PP bob? ))

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pp stinger assembly 4...

next attach the REAR section of the stinger using the 3 bolts...

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top/bottom holes are USED for ALL drops/tilt...

but the selecttion of "1 of the 2" center holes is determined by...

the orientation of the 2 sections...for long or short drop distances.

once all 3 bolts/washers and nuts are together tighten them...

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click/zoom pix for BETTER/clear-r views...


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Old 11-24-2009, 11:24 PM   #134
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pp stinger assembly 5...

now TORQUE all three nuts/bolts to 150 ft-lbs at LEAST...

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pp stinger assembly 6...

ok, now it's all assembled...

of course U may need to REadjust the drop or TILT...

it's best to do this on a LONG LEVEL stretch of earth (see post #21)

drop is pretty straight forward,

and depends on the receiver HEIGHT and tv rear spring stiffness and TRAILER cup height when parked LEVEL.

TILT adjustments might be needed for SOME VEHICLES with receivers that aren't LEVEL...

OR TILT might be adjusted if the ideal DROP is slightly +/- the HOLES available...

i opted for ZERO tilt in the final assembly seen here....

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Old 11-24-2009, 11:40 PM   #136
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pp stinger condom 1...

i occasionally LEAVE the stinger attached to the truck...

which means it sticks OUT and is a shin/KNEE magnet...

so it's a good idea to prophylactically COVER your pp stinger when it's exposed.

here's my latest green pool noodle pp condom.

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pp stinger condom 2...

i have used one of the pool noodle covers for years (see the haha thread)

they are relatively uv resistant and pretty durable,

the bright colors help to warn others who wanna PARK too close or touch my pp stinger...

and they do get DIRTY over time and with use.

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pictured above is a 1 year old, WELL traveled condom/cover from the haha daze.

i am still using that old section, only now when the stinger is removed...

it serves as part of the 'total pp stinger protection package'...

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Old 11-24-2009, 11:56 PM   #138
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pp stinger comparison/parts/install/protection conclusion...

ok

that about covers it for the pp stinger.

the ADJUSTABLY is a significant improvement.

please add your comments or suggestions or questions or USER tricks...

i'll add another string of posts comparing jacks, hitch heads, spring bars or the other components at a future time.

and invite EVERYONE with a pp to add or exchange the good stuffing here too.

happy turkey day 2 all,

and i hope the info WE are providing in the UNofficial pp users guide is of value....


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Old 11-25-2009, 12:16 AM   #139
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i occasionally LEAVE the stinger attached to the truck...which means it sticks OUT and is a shin/KNEE magnet...
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Hi, I personally would not recommend, and do not leave anything in my receiver. In the few years that I worked at new car dealerships, [since 1968] I have seen vehicles that were rear ended or the driver backed into something while their hitch was still in the receiver and the end results were not only a bent receiver, but a badly bent [usually downward] frame. Your chances of little or no damage, are much better with an empty receiver.
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oh, i realize this risk of impact, i think we all do who have these contraptions.

but the NK mudflaps HANG on the stinger, so removal isn't quick or easy, and it's heavy.

plus i like using the mudflaps when NOT towing if the conditions merit.

and in just the first few minutes of time UNHOOKED but still parked in an rv space in a campground...

there are LOTS of opportunities to KNOCK shins or trip over the stinger...

so the condom goes ON whenever the stinger is exposed, even for just a few minutes.

sometimes the truck sits for days/weeks (while getting around other ways) and the protection is ALWAYS there.

also many folks put the STINGER INTO the hitch head, and leave them both at the camp site....

again the cushioned cover provides protection over the exposed stinger in that position too...

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