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Old 10-08-2009, 02:39 PM   #43
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Propane Tank Cover

I was putting the cover back on and noticed that the little arm that stick out from the adjustable arms were in the way not letting it sit flush like it should.So I took the cover back off and cut them off with a saw.Now the cover was able to fit perfect onto the frame.
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Old 10-08-2009, 02:44 PM   #44
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Done so Far.

So far I am done with everything and this is the end result.I am a very happy Camper.
There are couple or so things that I need to do to tweek a few items.Like tightening up the W/D bars a bit.
Readjusting the breakaway cable and making sure the chains are not to long.(I think they are fine now.)Other than that I believe I got it done.I am wondering if I might need softer bars to pull them up a bit more?
So how does this look so far?
The vehicle is kinda turned a bit in the pictures so it may look a bit off.
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Old 10-08-2009, 03:20 PM   #45
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...I am wondering if I might need softer bars to pull them up a bit more?...So how does this look so far?
hi devo great job!

some suggestions...

1. the breakaway-brake cable and the 7 pin cords are really hanging TOO LOW.

-try rerouting them OVER the hitch
-or take up the slack in each.
-they will be even LOWER on turns so get them UP one way or another

2. the CLEVIS pin connector supplied with the extension kit is a NICE feature (the vendors are responding to needs)...

-these come in MORE and HIGHER ratings than a simple quick connect link.
-u may end up SHORTENing the chains a bit over time.
-they are LONGEST when straight and slackest when turning.
-only need to be 1-2 inches below the pp, so ANY signs of the links DRAGGING is a clue to shorten more.

3. good modification for the lp tank plates

4. the lp tank cover on my unit SITS on the jack base/brackets JUST LIKE yours did...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/atta...3&d=1254870717

-for now i'm just letting that happen it actually LEVELS the tank cover on my unit...

-i too considered cutting OFF the welded bar ends but wanted to USE IT a few times before altering.

-my guess is those 2 bar/wings are there to PREVENT the jack extensions from rubbing or catching on the bracket and bolts...

-on REALLY SHARP turns or BACKING SHARPLY or on SOME A frame designs that might be an issue??

-the tank cover is big and in the way of several things already, so i might alter the COVER instead of the hitch.

-NOW that you have cut them OFF, apply a coat of PAINT OVER the cut tips...

5. w/d bar ratings?? which bars/rating did you order??

--i do NOT wanna make THIS thread about the many issues of w/d adjustment on vehicles with AUTO LEVELING suspensions...

-because EACH system is unique/specific to the TV maker and there are already threads on these...

-but YOU may wanna adjust the STINGER drop UP or DOWN more to get level...

-then tension the jacks and spring bars ONLY a tad...

--LIGHTER or HEAVIER spring bars really don't matter in this situation (the bars SHOULD ~ the tongue weight) so 700 or 1000 seems correct 4 u.

-"getting LEVEL" is mostly about proper DROP on the stinger and the ADJUSTABLE stinger allow YOU to try many combinations of drop/tilt.

- it looks to ME like the stinger should be re-assembled with LESS drop.

- the other approach is to TIGHTen the screw jacks just a few turns and WATCH the trailer nose RISE UP...

you really need to WEIGHT the rig to get this properly dialed in...

6. yoke adjustment...

-the angle is tricky to judge in the photos, BUT it appears the YOKE isn't level with the tongue/A frame...

-the OFFICIAL instructions say "approximately level" so it may be fine, but take a look and measure this.

again good job and thanks for adding pix and trix...

to the unofficial pp users guide...

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Old 10-08-2009, 03:29 PM   #46
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Yea I got the 800 lb'ers.I need to play around with it a while to really figure this thing out.I mean everything is pretty much set but I do need to tweek a few things like you said.I will be practicing my hitch and unhitching tomorrow.I really need to figure that one out and it does not hurt to practice a bit.I am just so used to being able to come in at a hard angle to hook up.The cool thing is though that I can still come in at an angle.It may not be as hard as I use to go but it still works.
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HARD angle hook ups...

800 lbs should be IDEAL for your tongue mass...

fiddle with the stinger and tension on the jacks...

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...I am just so used to being able to come in at a hard angle to hook up...
devo'

after practicing and sorting out the ADJUSTMENTS for the hitch box connecting gets MUCH easier...

i have actually HOOKED UP at almost a RIGHT ANGEL (80 degrees or so) for a specific situation...

the hitch allows ALMOST 180 degrees of arc (depends on tv bumper) about 170 i think...

so it can be somewhat like a 5th wheel in terms of angling...

but only try these extremes gradually over time...

jack knifed is still jack knifed in a weird parking spot.... sort of like 4x4 allows us to get STUCK in deeper doo...

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Old 10-09-2009, 03:08 PM   #48
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Hey all

Well this is great!!!!! The Airman has a PP! Just checking in everyone! I will read thru all this while I am on the road. I am on my way to Jersey Shore Haven now, to pick up my trailer and then on my way out to Jackson Center for my last Warranty freebees. I will check in soon.

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Old 10-09-2009, 03:22 PM   #49
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sort of like 4x4 allows us to get STUCK in deeper doo
I lived in a Land Rover 109 lwb for 21 years. In those younger days, I did take some chances, what fun!
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2air, I can't help but ask what has prompted you to go from Orange to Black? I am also interested in your impressions of the towing experience with both, and are there any major differences? I sure like the idea of the height-adjustable stinger.

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...what has prompted you to go from Orange to Black?...
hi brian

the path has been more like orange 2 silver/gray 2 black. it must be the growing DARKER phase...

i've been asked this a few times via pm or email, and have addressed it tangentially in the last HALF of this post (the 4th P=product)...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/748706-post825.html

read it and between the lines, check the pix...
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-towing experiences with both?

-major differences?


THESE subjects will be the fodder of MANY posts here...

when i start adding photos, 2 show the bits sidebyside and explore the differences between the 2 chunks of steel...

that cluster of posts will come in a few weeks and should be useful...
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hi jim, YOU the man, and thanks for posting!

i've linked your thread in post #2 for some good reading, and look forward to your follow ups here.

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Old 10-09-2009, 04:12 PM   #52
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I am glad this kit came with the PP.I needed those chains in the end and it worked out perfect.
The extra kit comes with a 7 pin plug adapter.
Extension chains
and extra emergency break away cable.

As you can see in the picture I used every inch of that thing.I was short about 2 or 3 links so I just used it all and tied the rest up with plastic ties.
Thanks for posting the pics of the extension kit. I ordered one the day before yesterday after you mentioned that there was such a thing. I am not happy with my solution to the short chain. It looks great, but its not as strong as the rest of the chain. My electrical cord is barely long enough, so I will also be happy to have that extension.
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Adjustable W/D Arm

Here is another trick I just did a while ago.I was having to measure how high I was going with a ruler or tool and I did not want to do this any more so I cut out some vinyl strips and stuck them on the inside of the adjustable arm.Now I dont really know how long this will last because there is the chance it could start to rub it off in time.The bottom of the adjustable arm lines up with the top of the yellow sticker and that's it.It cant get any simpler than that.
For right now though it is not being rubbed on or in the way of anything but it will let me adjust my arm perfectly every time for now.
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Here is another trick I just did a while ago.I was having to measure how high I was going with a ruler or tool and I did not want to do this any more so I cut out some vinyl strips and stuck them on the inside of the adjustable arm.Now I dont really know how long this will last because there is the chance it could start to rub it off in time.The bottom of the adjustable arm lines up with the top of the yellow sticker and that's it.It cant get any simpler than that.
For right now though it is not being rubbed on or in the way of anything but it will let me adjust my arm perfectly every time for now.
I thought about that and may still do it. For the time being, I have been using the airstream tool for the stabilizers to raise and lower the jacks and I just count the turns. It works fine unless someone distracts me and I have to start over.
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hi steve

welcome to pp land.

read the OFFICIAL instructions a couple of times, it will help.

i think the unofficial pp users quik guide pics may help too.

look forward to your reports.
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i noticed that you are manually? cranking the jacks?

dude that takes a loooong time.

a cordless drill with a socket cuts the time to ~5 seconds, UP or down...

which make the process SO much easier and quicker.

i do keep the wrench as backup, and at the scales it's possible to determine weight transfer PER crank...

this comes in handy for minor adjustments in w/d without guessing.

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