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Old 04-14-2013, 08:38 PM   #581
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Having finally taken the 27FB Flying Cloud for a decent ride, I went back to re-read this entire string (youch my head hurts!) and found a few posts re: porpoising or bucking. We have to get this rig to to the scales which I hope to do before this weekend. Until that time, the bucking issue is mildly annoying - doesnt happen all the time. Sometimes on a very smooth road it's non-existent. On roads with any kind of trouble, there is a noticeable feel of bucking or push/pull not related to braking to setting of the controller (in fact, I was bracing for "the bump" and it never happened - I believe we have the brake controller dialed in very well).

Some of the advice is to just slow down as roads transfer their signals and differences in distance between axles is what it is. I think I can live with it but the often used phrase "I couldn't tell it was behind me" didn't apply. Yes - absolutely no sway, but a noticeable amount of bucking.

Since this hitch was installed at the dealer and they let it out of the shop with only 2 of 3 required bolts in the receiver, I'm wondering if other elements of the install may be off. I had it done at the dealer because I'm not the most mechanically inclined guy on the planet and didn't want to leave something this important to chance. For example - Sean said i should start with 6" of lift on the 1000lb bars through the jacks but getting that is touch to achieve even with an 18v impact wrench. I'm also not sure I'm setting it up correctly when hitching/unhitching...

I'm wondering if there is an experienced PP user in the MA/CT area who wouldn't mind having a look at our setup and letting me know your thoughts? If so, please PM me. In the meantime, I'll of course reach out to Sean and will get to those scales ASAP.

Ps - TV is a Silverado 2500 z71 extended cab short box.
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Old 04-14-2013, 09:30 PM   #582
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I use the speed handle for the stabilizer jacks to adjust the tension on the bars. I set my bars to 6". My cordless DeWalt drill does not have the power to put the correct amount of tension on my hitch bars.

I have never had any bucking or porpoising while towing with the Propride.... that is other than the bucking you get from the awful pavement on the interstate inside many cities. The bucking I get while driving through Birmingham on I-65 has been similar with all the hitches I have tried.
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Old 04-14-2013, 09:47 PM   #583
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I raised the tongue with the tongue jack to take some pressure off the jacks, so the spring bars tension easier. Wondering if this is correct?

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Old 04-14-2013, 09:52 PM   #584
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I don't think there's a wrong way to do it, just whatever works for you.

I use a crank type wrench I made from a tire tool, and count turns instead of measuring. I tighten the bars before I raise the tongue jack.
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Old 04-15-2013, 09:23 AM   #585
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- TV is a Silverado 2500 z71 extended cab short box.
I have a similar TV and a similar size trailer. I set the jacks, by eye, at about 6" +/- about 1/2" using the stabilizer jack crank. I have never had any bucking at any setting. The jacks set crank easier if you raise the tongue jack a bit before cranking them.

BTW, I have never felt any difference from the small variations in jack settings.
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Old 04-15-2013, 09:49 AM   #586
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I use the speed handle for the stabilizer jacks to adjust the tension on the bars. I set my bars to 6". My cordless DeWalt drill does not have the power to put the correct amount of tension on my hitch bars.

I have never had any bucking or porpoising while towing with the Propride.... that is other than the bucking you get from the awful pavement on the interstate inside many cities. The bucking I get while driving through Birmingham on I-65 has been similar with all the hitches I have tried.
My TV is a 2012 2500HD Crew Cab 4X4. Bars set at 6". My understanding is using the tongue jack to minimize the work for setting bar tension is not a problem.
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Old 04-19-2013, 09:58 PM   #587
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Greetings, PP fans!

First let me say that I have read every single post to date on this thread BUT I have no real world experience YET. I bought my new-to-me Excella just last week and it's my first one. I towed it directly to a good A/S place for a few tweaks that I wanted to have done-just on the ball hitch taking it REAL easy.

I talked to them a few days later and they offered to order the Equalizer hitch for me in addition to the other tweaks. Not thinking much about it, I said OK. Next day, sort of a mental hard bump here, I thought, "After researching for months on the trailer you're going to buy the hitch without?" So I called back and cancelled the order thinking like the carpentering adage....Measure twice and cut once - so I'll research ten times and buy ONE hitch, not buy it to try it and then buy another....

After all that, I ordered by new ProPride hitch just this week. OK, only days of research. This thread has been a big help along with lots of other sites. Now I wait It's going to take 2-3 weeks to get all the parts and pieces delivered and put together. <sigh> My two sons (farmers) and I will be puzzling it out.

I'm SURE I will have a lot of questions what the time finally arrives! Meanwhile, I thought y'all might like to see this LEGO model of why the hitch works as it does:

Signing off until installation time....
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:25 PM   #588
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Good move. I bought and ditched Equal-I-Zer and Andersen before I wised up.

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Old 04-20-2013, 04:02 AM   #589
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Update: (copied from my intro thread)

Sean Woodruff (who probably deserves a medal) suggested a few things to help with the porpoising. MUCH much better. Was able to get 6" on the ProPride jacks and that made a ton of difference - except on Rte 88 in NY - sort of 80 miles of washboard. :grrrr: Slowed down to about 50 at points but that's a hopeless situation. Other than that, just towed like a dream!

Passed by dozens of 18 wheelers - not a hint of sway! By the way - people drive like crap trying to get around you in an RV - but you already knew that.

Scales on the way back - couldn't do it this morning.
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Old 04-20-2013, 09:36 AM   #590
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Same as Doug K. Returned the Andersen and ordered a 3P yesterday.
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:16 PM   #591
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7 or 6.5 inches on the WD jack, where is this measurement taken from? Bottom of the spring bar to the bottom of the jack?

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I believe most people measure the amount of jack rise from either full down position, or totally relaxed position if the hitch is so setup.

Personally, I find it easier and more exact to count the number of turns on the jack.
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I always start with the "number of rotations" then measure from the bottom of the jack to the bottom of its "lip" as it rises above the jack base.

As for Sean getting a "medal" - he deserving of the "lifetime achievement" award along with all the medals and trophies...
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Old 04-29-2013, 06:04 PM   #594
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Sorry I missed this. I'm measuring from the top of the a-frame to the bottom of the jack sleeve as it rises.
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Sorry I missed this. I'm measuring from the top of the a-frame to the bottom of the jack sleeve as it rises.

Perfect...
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:07 PM   #597
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Ok, PP users, I could really use your help!

In the "at the scales" thread, with tons of expert advice, I've decided I'm going to drop the WD bars down in the rear to push more weight to the front axle of the TV. To do this, I need to move the bars from the middle hole on the Spring Bar Links to the top hole.

It seems to me the procedure would be:

1) zero tension on WD jacks
2) disconnect the tail end of the spring bar link on each WD bar by loosening the 3/8" u-bolt (two 3/8" lock nuts holding the u-bolt on to the tail end if the WD bar)
Question: do I want to put blocks under the WD bars so the heads of them that connect to the main hitch unit don't do anything funky?
3) lift the spring bar link off the WD jack hook and replace spring bar link so top hole is on the WD hack hook
4) reconnect the u-bolts to the tail end of the WD bars using the 3/8" washers and lock nuts, tightening firm then backing off a half turn per the PP installation instructions (p. 17)
5) reapply WD and take to the scales (having unlimited fun all along the way)

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Does that procedure sound right to you??

Bear with me please, I'm not the world's most mechanically inclined guy...thanks!!
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You actually would want to move to the hole lower so when you are jacking up the bars you get more vertical upwards movement.

But Wait - I swear when using my ProPride on my Touareg Sean told me to use the same hole, adjust the stinger so it at max angle (mine actually tilted the stinger downwards towards the pavement getting the max lift from my springer bars) and to use 1400 pound bars....

Give Sean a quick ring and see what he says-he is Awesome and the number two resource right after good old "2AirisHuman" just kidding Sean).
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You actually would want to move to the hole lower so when you are jacking up the bars you get more vertical upwards movement.
I thought I updated this thread with the solution? Must have been in the "at the scales" one...sorry. Yes, you're absolutely right, Sean has been excellent as have several forum members who generously reached out via PM.

It was the BOTTOM not the TOP hole. I was able to make that change and weigh it again at the scales. It did indeed put more weight on the front axle (100% FALR). But, my trailer was now 1.5" higher at the nose than the tail. :huh?:

Solved that with the great advice of this forum with a drop of the stinger by one bolt hole on the hitch assembly. Good news: 16" from frame to ground on all 4 corners The rest of the saga is in that other thread :clown-trombone:

But all is good. One more trip to the scales soon. Should have it all dialed in.

Thanks for your reply on the (incorrect) procedure!
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I'm taking delivery of my PP this week. Pretty nervous about whether or not I'll be able to install it myself or not. I'm not a very handy guy. I'll keep you guys posted. Good thread, although, a lot of it is over my head.
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