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Old 11-12-2012, 01:31 PM   #561
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John, In the beginning with my hitch I tried measurements of the jacks, then marks, then measured sticks, but have settled on counting the turns from full down position. And, you will be surprised in the difference one turn makes on each jack.
I also count the turns. As Steve said, There is a fairly small range to go from feeling too bouncy, to feeling too stiff. If I don't like the ride when I first start out, I raise or lower one to three turns. That always improves the ride.

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I'm not about to count jack revolutions or unnecessarily run the jacks all the way down to the limit when disconnecting. I use a 24-volt drill with an adapter and a 3/4" socket to run up the jacks. I have measured from my truck wheel wells to the ground several times and a few jack turns make a negligable difference in the weight transferred.
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:36 PM   #563
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How many turns are you setting yours at?

I have been measuring jack travel. I have tried 5.5 and 6.0 inches. I don't notice any difference in truck handling with either setting. Both are great.

CAT scale readings have been confusing. I weighed the loaded for camping truck on one CAT scale and then weighed the entire rig on a different CAT scale. Scale weights did not make sense. I need to go back, start all over, and weigh at the same scale during the same trip to the scale.
I'm sure every one of them will be different, but mine seems best at 40 turns up from the bottom.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:56 PM   #564
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I'm not about to count jack revolutions or unnecessarily run the jacks all the way down to the limit when disconnecting. I use a 24-volt drill with an adapter and a 3/4" socket to run up the jacks. I have measured from my truck wheel wells to the ground several times and a few jack turns make a negligable difference in the weight transferred.
I believe you will find however that a few turns will make a distinct difference in the comfort of the drive.

I use the crank that came with the trailer. It is intended for the stabilizer pads, but works great with the WD jacks.

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Old 11-21-2012, 09:35 AM   #565
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Just installed my Propride Hitch

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Installed my Propride hitch and really did not run into any problems. Love the hitch it pulls like a dream although the hitch ball is a bit loose in the hitch of the airstream. Great thread that helped me and my friend install. I will provide pictures later because I would like to collect your opinions on the level of the hitch box. The AS is level front to back at 21 inches to side strip. Currently the trailer is in storage but I may be able to get over there this weekend. Reading through the threads and the great pictures helped immensely and I thank you all. I towed at the 7 inches.

2010 F150 SuperCrew with Max Towing package - two people on board full tank of gas.
2005 30' Classic winterized
CAT Scale numbers at 7 inches on the WD jack
Steer axle 3540
Drive axle 3420
Trailer axle 7040
CAT Scale numbers at 6.5 inches on the WD jack
Steer axle 3580
Drive axle 3440
Trailer axle 7040
CAT Scale numbers at 6 inches on the WD jack
Steer axle 3620
Drive axle 3460
Trailer axle 7040

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Old 11-21-2012, 09:44 AM   #566
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The numbers in the previous post back up my conviction that there is no need for any great precision in setting up the jacks. Certainly not to the extent of counting jack turns.

With my previous air hitch and substantially the same hitch length as the ProPride, a chain link in each direction was barely perceptable.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:13 AM   #567
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Installed my Propride hitch and really did not run into any problems. Love the hitch it pulls like a dream although the hitch ball is a bit loose in the hitch of the airstream. Great thread that helped me and my friend install. I will provide pictures later because I would like to collect your opinions on the level of the hitch box. The AS is level front to back at 21 inches to side strip. Currently the trailer is in storage but I may be able to get over there this weekend. Reading through the threads and the great pictures helped immensely and I thank you all. I towed at the 7 inches.

2010 F150 SuperCrew with Max Towing package - two people on board full tank of gas.
2005 30' Classic winterized
CAT Scale numbers at 7 inches on the WD jack
Steer axle 3540
Drive axle 3420
Trailer axle 7040
CAT Scale numbers at 6.5 inches on the WD jack
Steer axle 3580
Drive axle 3440
Trailer axle 7040
CAT Scale numbers at 6 inches on the WD jack
Steer axle 3620
Drive axle 3460
Trailer axle 7040

Thank you,
Did you weigh the truck without the trailer hooked to it. I would be interested to see how much weight transfer there is to the front axle of the truck with the hitch setup you have.

The steer axle weight seems a little heavy for an F150. You may be transferring too much weight to the front axle of the truck.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:16 AM   #568
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2010 F150 SuperCrew with Max Towing package - two people on board full tank of gas.
2005 30' Classic winterized
CAT Scale numbers at 7 inches on the WD jack
Steer axle 3540
Drive axle 3420
Trailer axle 7040
CAT Scale numbers at 6.5 inches on the WD jack
Steer axle 3580
Drive axle 3440
Trailer axle 7040
CAT Scale numbers at 6 inches on the WD jack
Steer axle 3620
Drive axle 3460
Trailer axle 7040

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kcrockett,

I would like some expaination if you don't mind, as these numbers seem to be inverse of what I would expect. It seems your steer axle weight goes up, and your drive axle weight goes down as your jack measurements go down.

Either you are measuring your jacks differently than I would, or something else is amiss.

Also I have a question, what weight bars are you using with the hitch?
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kcrockett,
I would like some expaination if you don't mind, as these numbers seem to be inverse of what I would expect. It seems your steer axle weight goes up, and your drive axle weight goes down as your jack measurements go down.

The 6" and 7" numbers must be transposed.
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Old 11-23-2012, 08:57 AM   #570
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Hello,

I did not weigh the truck by itself but willing to check. I am using the #1400 bars. Should I put the steering axle on one scale and the rear axle on its own scale? Should the steer axle have less weight than the rear axle?

I lost the weight slip for the 7 inch height but the 6 and 6.5 are correct. Only thought I have is that perhaps they collected the weight before I jumped back on the scale. The intercom was the height for a normal big rig and I had to stand on the large pole off the scale to press the intercom button.

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I'm not about to count jack revolutions or unnecessarily run the jacks all the way down to the limit when disconnecting. I use a 24-volt drill with an adapter and a 3/4" socket to run up the jacks. I have measured from my truck wheel wells to the ground several times and a few jack turns make a negligable difference in the weight transferred.
John, You are right that a few turns makes little difference in the front fender height measurement, but in my experience with the hitch, a few turns on the jacks makes a difference in the ride and handling.

A friend of mine also uses a drill to adjust his weight distribution jacks, so we put a piece of black electrical tape on the socket used in his drill, and with the black tape on the socket he can easily count the turns of the drill as the "black spot" goes around. Just a thought.
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Old 11-23-2012, 09:39 AM   #572
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John, You are right that a few turns makes little difference in the front fender height measurement, but in my experience with the hitch, a few turns on the jacks makes a difference in the ride and handling.

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I do my best to not agree with Steve, but in this case I am forced to.

My experience backs what he is saying exactly. It may have something to do the fact that his trailer and tow vehicle are nearly identical to mine.

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Old 11-23-2012, 05:07 PM   #574
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I did not weigh the truck by itself but willing to check. I am using the #1400 bars. Should I put the steering axle on one scale and the rear axle on its own scale? Should the steer axle have less weight than the rear axle?

I lost the weight slip for the 7 inch height but the 6 and 6.5 are correct. Only thought I have is that perhaps they collected the weight before I jumped back on the scale. The intercom was the height for a normal big rig and I had to stand on the large pole off the scale to press the intercom button.

thank you!
Steering axle and drive axle should be on different pads. There have been times that I have had a problem getting a CAT scale to weigh the pickup truck by itself.If you stand on the steer axle pad the scale will add all of your weight to the steering axle calculation (not the same as you sitting in the truck cab). I would keep my body off the scale while weighing unless your are sitting in the cab while weighing. My experience is that the clerk weighs the rig immediately upon finishing he discussion with you about the weighing.

If the bed of the truck is lightly loaded, and no trailer hooked up, the steering axle will typically weigh more than the drive axle.

I believe your steering axle will weigh around 3200 - 3400# and your drive axle will run around 2500 - 2600# with an unloaded truck. This is just my estimate based on some of my personal experience. Maybe there will be some folks with a truck similiar to yours share their CAT scale truck weights. Only the scales will tell the actual answer.
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:56 PM   #575
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I did not weigh the truck by itself but willing to check. I am using the #1400 bars. Should I put the steering axle on one scale and the rear axle on its own scale? Should the steer axle have less weight than the rear axle?

I lost the weight slip for the 7 inch height but the 6 and 6.5 are correct. Only thought I have is that perhaps they collected the weight before I jumped back on the scale. The intercom was the height for a normal big rig and I had to stand on the large pole off the scale to press the intercom button.

thank you!
Here is a link to scale information for a 2009 F150 Super Crew using a Propride hitch.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...lla-66840.html
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:23 AM   #576
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Received my hitch this week. Spent one hour the first day and got the stinger put together and jacks installed on A frame. One and a half hours next day to finish. Was able to hitch up on the first try. I used a tool I have for my wood working. It is a Wixey Digital Angle Gauge. It is about 2" x 2" x 1". It will measure the angle between two surfaces. I put it on the stinger and pushed the button to reset the angle to zero degrees. I then moved it to the hitch head and it read 6.7 degrees. I then used the jacks to raise the hitch head until it read zero degrees. I then backed right into the hitch. Haven't towed yet as I found that my chains are now 6" too short so have ordered the extensions from Sean.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:25 AM   #577
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As you can see from my number of posts, I'm a brand new Airstream owner (2013 27FB International). We had the ProPride hitch installed by the dealer prior to delivery -- which is a whole story on to itself, since they had never even seen one before. Anyway, I've read through this thread several times (as well as others) and find that I still have a few questions.

Here's the data:
CAT scale results for 2013 Yukon Denali w/o trailer, driver & passenger / full tank of gas: Steer Axle = 2,700 lbs / Drive Axle = 2,640 lbs.

CAT scale results w/ trailer empty (except full propane tanks) and WD bars (1400) set at 6": Steer Axle = 2,580 lbs / Drive Axle = 3,960 lbs / Trailer Axle = 5,460 lbs.

CAT scale results w/ WD bars set at 6.5": Steer Axle = 2,620 lbs / Drive Axle = 3,900 lbs / Trailer Axle = 5,460 lbs.

Questions:

(1) Tongue Weight: Based on the scale results, even with the WD set at 6.5", I have about 1,260 lbs of tongue weight w/ the Denali max being 1,100 lbs. Based on this measurement, I clearly need to get the tongue weight down a bunch. Initially, I used the Airstream stated tongue weight of 770 lbs + the shipping weight of the PP3 (285 lbs) to determine whether I would be over the 1,100 lb max for the Denali. At 1,055 lbs, I thought I was OK. However, a lot of discussion on the Forum seems to indicate that I may be cutting this a little too close. What's the consensus, is this a problem that can corrected with the WD adjusted??

(2) Weight Distribution Adjustment: We are heading out to AlumaFiesta in Tucson next week (first long-drive trip with the Airstream), so I'm going to stop at the CAT scales here in Las Vegas and try to re-calibrate the settings, starting with the bars set at 7" and at 7.5 ". The ride with the bars at 6.5" is great and the steer axle is only 80 lbs less than the unhitched weight (2,700 - 2,620) -- but with the tongue weight at 1,260 lbs (and trailer basically empty), I'm concerned. While I can try the 7" & 7.5" settings before we head out, what's the general limitation(s) on how high I set the WD jacks ??

As a new owner, I'm sure that I'll have more questions, but for now, I just want to be sure that we're heading down to road safely on this and future trips ...

Thanks in advance for comments & advise,

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My first recommendation is to shoot this info to Sean Woodruff via email or give him a call. The man is a grand master at customer support and can help you dial this in faster than anyone.

I had a similar problem with a 27' FB Flying Cloud and Sean's advice to me was to crank the bars up. We did a 8700 mile trip around the country this summer with the bars set at 7.5in to get the weight shifted forward and returning the steering axle to the original weight.
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First, I agree you should call Sean and discuss your concerns with him. Do you have the instruction book that came with the Propride? I would carefully inspect the actual hitch installation vs. the installation manual. i.e. hitch stinger level with ground, etc...

Sean is very helpful and I know he can address your concerns. He is number one in customer service.

Did you weigh your rig without any tension on the WD bars? I don't see that you did a weight measurement you could calculate tongue weight from. With 6" adjustment on your WD bars, you have probably shifted tongue weight already. My Propride is installed where 6" on the jacks is my setting for towing normally with weight distribution set properly per CAT scale measurement.

Go to the scale and weigh the truck by itself. Then weigh the whole rig as you did but with the WD bars with absolutely no tension on the bars. Then you can calculate tongue weight.
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So I just gotta say, Sean went WAY above and beyond the call of duty this weekend. Bit of a glitch with the installation of the PP at the dealer (only 2 of 3 bolts in the hitch head). Had a BEAR of a time trying to figure it out. Sean spent a few hours with me by phone, text and photo shots troubleshooting and walking me through my endless questions. Ultimately, I got it settled with his help and am very very happy. I hope to have plenty more reports in this thread as a new PP user and many many miles of fun!!
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