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Old 06-11-2012, 12:51 PM   #161
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Unlike hitches that require chain link count or head tilt notch to give a step function adjustment I can dial in an infinite range with the adjustment nuts There fore I can apply any weight to the front axle depending on the springs of the TV.
Howie, I know I said I was in "monitor mode", but I've read contradictory statements to yours on another forum:

" He reported he could not crank with the wrenches he had or even with a deeper socket much past 3/8" and still came up 260# light on the front of the Suburban with a 960# TW."

That's why it would be nice to see some actual scale numbers, especially with a heavy trailer, using this Andersen hitch.
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If my hitch gets here this week I'll put it on and run it thru the scales this weekend. If it does not get here this week, it may be a couple of weeks before I can get to it. I have not found where anyone posted about using the scales when dialing in with an Andersen. I would not do it more than once unless I change tow vehicles. IMO it is always good to have a reference point.
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:12 PM   #163
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" He reported he could not crank with the wrenches he had or even with a deeper socket much past 3/8" and still came up 260# light on the front of the Suburban with a 960# TW."
Please advise as to what this statement refers to.

If by chance it relates to the Andersen hitch and is referring to the adjustment of the nuts used to tighten the chains I would have to assume he installed the brackets at the wrong location or has not taken the load off with the jack while hitching.

As noted I pull a 34 fter. with an Excursion and have had no reason to make any adjustment to the chains after the initial set up. I am dropping the front axle of the TV 1/2 in. so that is clear demonstration that weight has been transferred through the use of the hitch. I trust you can see the corrilation between fender drop and scale readings. I have calibrated the drop of my TV to a given scale reading and assume that to be a constant. Maybe a return to the scales every 50,000 might be warranted to account for changes in the suspension.

If I were to want an adjustment all I would have to do is raise the jack to take the weight off the chains and turn the nuts by hand. The only individuals I can see would need a wrench are those that have a hand jack. In that case a wrench may be the easier way to go just because it would not be that effective to jack the trailer/Tv by hand when hooking up.

Another point I should make here is while installing my hitch I when through the complete adjustment to get the load I wanted on the front axle with only the brackets bolted in place. Once I was satisfied I then marked the set screw locations and removed the brackets to drill the holes for the set screws. The bolts will hold things in place during installation. It is only while on the road that the set screws will have to be in place.

If you are of mind to use the scales I would suggest that you not set the set screws until you have made you adjusts at the scales. Failure to do this may result in unnecessary holes in the frame.
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This is an intriguing subject...I like the 'simplicity' of the design...However, I'm not convinced it transfers all that much weight to the TV front axle...

Check out the charts a user has made up for his combination of a Honda Pilot & Lance TT...

A new Weight Distribution Hitch (WDH) - Topic

I don't see any real weight transfer at all on his weight chart...also, his other chart shows only about 1220# tension with the 1/4 inch compression of the chain, not the the 2000# noted in Anderson's videos...

Am I reading things wrong here?

I like the 'sway control' part of the design, but the actual weight transfer seems lacking...

Additional note - this user modified the frame brackets and used two frame holes (one original & drilled one new) to mount the brkt's directly with GD8 bolts - I'm not a big fan of that installation - those two holes may provide a weak spot in the frame for cracks or failure over time...IMHO
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Ray, all you have do is use a ruler to prove that weight is being tranfered. I hook up and my front end rises, crank in some WD (in my case 7 threads showing does the trick) and the nose goes back down. Very simple.


By the way I received an email from Andrew Porter, VP Marketing for Andersen. He was out of the office last week. He is going to check out this thread.
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If you will note in his fender heights he was headed in the right direction but just never completed the process. As his fender came back down towards the original height his weight increased towards the original. Had he continued to tighten the chains he would have been fine. You can put as much weight on the front axle as you want just tighten the nuts till you are there.

I suspect He paid too much attention to the instruction an did not have his brackets back far enough to start with. That way when he got to 9 threads showing he thought he was done. No 2 rigs are the same and one should try to understand the concept rather than adhere 100% to instructions.
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Well, I am very disappointed right now. I ordered my Andersen hitch and it was to arrive today. At 6PM the UPS truck showed up, and I cheered! The box was small and very light weight.

Turns out that all I got was a 6" drop hitch stinger, no hitch! My net receipt was for the full hitch price. When I originally called the place to put the order in, apparently somehow the hitch with the correct stinger was not what got ordered, only the stinger. The order box says 1 of 1, so I know nothing else will be coming. The place is closed until tomorrow morning when I hope to straighten it out.

But the bottom line is that I will not be able to put it on for the upcoming trip this week, as there is no way a new order will get to me.

So, the information I wanted to provide will have to wait now for a couple of weeks at least. Sorry guys, I am more than a bit ticked too. It would have been a great time to try it out and test it. Guess I will just have to make a second trip to Glacier National Park soon after I get back from this one. Oh, the horror of it all....LOL.
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Bummer.

The timing would have been great. Things happen but maybe it would have been too much of a rush to get it all together for your big trip. We will wait until your next outing.

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Hi, I see in the picture that the adjusting threads are just coarse threads, not fine and not acme threads. What keeps them from coming loose? Should it have a double nut? Or some way to hold it in place once adjusted.
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Mine is being delivered today. I hope it is the correct one. Says on the tracking it is 56 lbs so it sounds like it should be all there. May not be able to get it on until Sat PM, but will post when I do.

Bob, I am assuming the adjusting nuts have been tested and will stay tight. We will see.
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I have detected no movement of the nuts on mine once adjusted.
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I had a similar question while I was installing my hitch. It would seam the nuts are under significant load while the bushings are compressed. That and the lack of any force, vibrational or rotational, directly on them is the reason. F=UN The force required to move an object is equal to the coefficient of friction times the load. In this case the load is quite high while the bushings are compressed.
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Well, I am very disappointed right now. I ordered my Andersen hitch and it was to arrive today. At 6PM the UPS truck showed up, and I cheered! The box was small and very light weight
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They are in Idaho Falls Idaho. How far is that from you?
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Idroba, who did you place your order with, directly with Andersen or a distributor?
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The order screw up is something I am working on and waiting for information right now.

Awchief: I ordered it from an on line place in Portland Oregon, called Hitchsource.com. I stressed so much that I needed a 6" drop shank that it is all they heard I guess, and that shank only was what arrived last night, but the bill is for a full hitch system. I have not called them about it yet, I am waiting on a return call or email from Andersen with the proper part number for the combination I need. (see below)

HowieE: Idaho Falls, where Andersen is located, is about 400 miles from me. People don't realize how tall Idaho is north to south. It is the same height as Oregon and Washington combined. I wish I could just drive there and get it, but that is too costly in time and gas money.

To everyone: If you are ordering an Andersen WD hitch you will need to know the following information in order to get the right one. You will need to do your own research, which I didn't do properly, maybe make a couple of decisions and some web search and then tell whoever you order it from the Andersen part number, as they may not know how to get you the right one. The Andersen has different ordering properties than other hitches.

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Ball size: Choices are 2" and 2 5/16. Only very very old AS's used a 2" ball, most everyone I have encountered has the 2 5/16 ball size.

Trailer frame size: There are hook up brackets for 3-4" frames, 4 3/8" frames, 5-6" frames and 8" frames. You need the correct one.

Drop/Rise shank: You can get the standard 4" drop/rise or a 6" drop rise.


In my case I need a 2 5/16 ball, and a 6" drop shank, but it is unclear which bracket is right for my 4" frame. I have an email and phone call into Andersen on that as I type this, and waiting for a reply. Why do they have a 3 - 4" and a 4 3/8" bracket for the chains to fasten to? Which is best for an exactly 4" frame? The 3/8" possible difference is small, but must be made for some reason.

So, I sit here waiting, unable to get this resolved until Andersen gets back to me, and I can't call the place I ordered it until I have the right information, as they obviously don't understand it either.

And I want to go camping....
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idroba: You can call Andersen direct at 1-800-635-6106 or 208-523-6460. Good chance Dave or his brother will answer the phone. Both are great on the phone and will answer any questions you may have.
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OK, finally got through to someone at Andersen, and confirmed what I really need (their part number for a 2 5/16 ball, a 6" drop shank and a 3-4 inch frame size, which is 3346).

I then called Hitchsource.com and gave them the information, and explained how I only got the shank, not the hitch.

They are working on the problem and how to get it resolved, and the proper hitch and parts sent to me. I am sure it will be another week, however.

I am hooking up with my old hitch and going camping... yea! Just not with an Andersen hitch this time. (sad).

Again, heads up, if ordering an Andersen WD hitch, have the full information you need on hand and make doubly sure that the place you order from uses it to get you the correct set of parts in the box.
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I would also add to give Andersen a call first and have them verify just what you need before placing your order. I don't believe that it is possible to place a normal order directly with them. They use a dealer network. I was able to order mine thru them because they had to make mine from scratch due to frame size and chain length. That was the 3 inch bracket that is now a stocking part and the chains for a shorter A-frame length. It still had to be sent to me via a dealer. Funny thing was the return address of the dealer was the same as Andersen with a different company name.
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Follow up: I just now received an email from Andrew Porter, a VP at Andersen, and he is working with the folks at Hitchsource.com to get my order straightened out and the right hitch and parts to me.

So, a delay, but I am assuming that in the long run, all will work out right. I can see growing pains with the company and their distribution system. I still like the looks and ideas designed into the product. Lets hope there are no issues there.

To be continued....
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Andersen is actually a rather large and well established manufacturing company, just new to the WD hitch scene. Billet machine work has been their bread and butter. Check out some of their other products on the company web page. They also do a lot of custom work for the automotive specialty car folks. Yet they are still small enough to give personal service for any issues a customer may have.
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