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Old 11-21-2012, 05:22 AM   #995
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Sean, I don't think I have or ever will crest a hill at 65 towing a trailer.
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Old 11-21-2012, 06:30 AM   #996
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I had/have a Equlizer, I had 4 different dealers set-up the Equlizer but had sway all the time. There was wind, semi's and road that all played a part. Why 4 dealers, traded TV and TT. All I can say is that I like the performance and installation of the Anderson vs the Equlizer.

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Mike, can you tell us what was your TV and trailer was at the time? thnxs
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I suspect his inventory influenced his comment as I suspect is you situation.

I am sorry Howie E, I must take exception to this comment. I rarely have more than 20 days of hitch inventory and for you to make that sort of a judgement of my motives is I think out of line. I have no financial interest in any hitch manufacturer I am completely free to chose which products we sell.

I do so based on performance and 40 years of testing. I have personally driven thousands of combinations in all kinds of weather on all kinds of roads at limits rarely seen by others unless they are in an emergency situation. Unfortunately I do not think there is anyone else other than my brother that has this amount of real world experience.

I was asked to recomend the Anderson in an Email which I could not do. That email was posted here, I felt I should purchase one to test which I did and I will do again. But for the reasons I have stated I cannot recomend the product in its present form I did feel it was important for those using it to explain its limitations.

Howie, I posted the numbers on weight transfer because of your posting of your numbers. According your numbers your front axle with an empty truck carries 4220 pounds this is reduced to 4040 with the Anderson connected, your rear axle is 4200 with a solo truck and is 5000 with the Anderson connected.

You are removing 180 pounds from your front axle and adding 800 pounds to your rear axle when you connect your relatively light hitch weight 34'. This is just not an acceptable amount of weight transfer.

Just trying to help.

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Old 11-21-2012, 08:19 AM   #998
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What we have slipped into is what my Father called the foundation for horse racing, "a difference of opinion"

While there can only be one winner in a horse race I trust most will accept that there can and will be different results relating to hitching for different combinations of RVs. It is those difference relating directly to the use of the Andersen that we should be focused on. Bracket alignment, hooking up techniques, frame differences, and other advantages or disadvantages learned from direct experience.

So far there have been enough users and interested users to post concerns and or modifications to keep us busy without invectives being tossed in
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:21 AM   #999
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I'm following this thread with great interest, even though I use a different brand ( BlueOx Swaypro ) of hitch. A couple of things I find confusing about this thread:

1. it seems to be pretty much industry standard procedure to use scales to verify WD

2. it seems that many of the posters/owners of Anderson hitches are at least giving a lot of thought to the technical side of how their hitch works. And yet...

2a. very few of the Anderson users are posting up results of a simple scale test. Why is this ? Come on guys, it only takes 30 minutes or so, and $12 or so to make the three trips across the CAT scale. Let's face it, there "are" generally accepted guidelines by the trailer/hitch/tow vehicle manufacturers defining what is recommended weight distribution. Scales don't lie, and they don't care what the brand name is.

As to the idea of whether the readers would believe what the CAT scale numbers are, simply take a photo of the scale ticket. That's what I did in a similar thread on a different forum, mostly because it made it easier for folks to see what I got.

I'm all for competition in this field of products. I think it's great that we have a choice ranging from inexpensive "simple" hitches all the way up thru devices like the pro-pride. It's just that I would like to see real world, honest numbers from scales, since those numbers give us real world objective data to go along with the subjective comments regarding "how the combination tows/feels".

Thanks to all for their contribution to the thread....now let's see some real numbers.
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Road Ruler, per your request:First I had a 2007 GMC 2500HD, 6L with 4:10.I was towing a 5er at the time. I traded for a 98 30ft Excella. Had numerous problems with it and was about to put 20K into it, but traded for a 2010 FC FB. Traded the GMC for a 07 Yukon. Loved it but it was too small for my use. I now have a 10 Ram 1500. After about 15K handles the best; all this time using with the Equlizer. I changed to the Andersen and combination of Ram and FC all handle even better. I only have about 500 mi but have been in hills, cross wind, trucks etc with little to no sway. I still have to secure the Andersen better, bolt or weld but like the ease of hook up and most of all the lighter weight.
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:49 AM   #1001
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gmw photos,

"pretty much industry standard to use scales to verify weight distribution." I don't know where this comes from, I have used an Equal-I-Zer and Andersen hitch and neither mentioned weight scales in their setup procedure. That's why I didn't weigh. It's certainly not worth the considerable effort on my part to do it for the benefit of this forum because no matter what you say or do, someone will dispute it anyway.

If you want real numbers, get your hitch and take it to the scales. I'm not going to do it so you can sit back and critique my efforts.

I've set my Andersen up according to instructions, posted photos of how it can be easily done, road "tested" it for 3700 miles, and reported the results from the driver's seat in real world conditions. This was started as a user's thread and there's my contribution.

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[I]Howie, I posted the numbers on weight transfer because of your posting of your numbers. According your numbers your front axle with an empty truck carries 4220 pounds this is reduced to 4040 with the Anderson connected, your rear axle is 4200 with a solo truck and is 5000 with the Anderson connected.

You are removing 180 pounds from your front axle and adding 800 pounds to your rear axle when you connect your relatively light hitch weight 34'. This is just not an acceptable amount of weight transfer.

Just trying to help.

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I agree, not good, and is opposite of the load equalizing hitch purpose.

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Old 11-21-2012, 09:30 AM   #1003
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Howie, move the ball mount in your drop bar down a notch to quiet these folks.

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Doug,
Contribution noted. Certainly, one of the best things we get out of a forum exchange like this is the subjective comments. To use your words, "road tested for 3700 miles, and report the results..."

These kinds of comments go a long way in helping readers decide and choose what does work in the real world, and what may not work.

My original point was that there seems to be two kinds of users of this stuff: the folks who just use whatever the dealer sells them, and they may not even care "how" it works.
And the second group of folks seem to be what I will call the "gearheads"....those of us that enjoy thinking about how these various systems work, and want a complete understanding of it. And that was my point, it seems that many of the Anderson users are gearheads, and generally the gearheads among us often like to go to the scales, if for no other reason that to see what really is happening.

And yes, as I stated in my first post, I have in fact taken my camper and truck to the scales. In fact I have had all of our combinations on the scale ( Nissan with camper, Nissan with bumper pull horse trailer, F350 with 33' gooseneck horse hauler, and F350 with 28' flatdeck ). To me, it's all part of knowing whether I am within all the prescribed limits of the equipment, in addition to satisfying my curiosity.

As to whether it's "industry standard" to use scale, perhaps I am overstating that, but I will say that it says in the Resse manual ( among many other things )

DETERMINE GTW & TW CAPACITIES
The two most important factors in selecting towing
equipment are gross trailer weight (GTW) and tongue
weight (TW).......( snip )

........is measured by placing the fully loaded trailer on
a vehicle scale. The entire weight of the trailer should......( snip )"

Point being, I know of no other way to know (with accuracy) how we are loaded.

If you choose to not avail yourself and your rig to a trip to the scale, that's of course fine with me. Kindly don't take my posts wrong, I'm not trying to pick a fight with anybody here....simply making comments and trying to get not only subjective thoughts and comments, but also objective data.

Thanks, and safe towing to all, george
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George, perhaps you're right and everyone else has some right too.

My patience is getting thin in that we try to report how to set up this hitch and the excellence performance is has given us.

Then we get the engineers explaining that it won't work through formulas and calculations.

Then we get the vendors of other hitches screwing around with our efforts to obviously discredit it and frankly, make fools out of us.

Then we get the casual observer telling us numbers answers all.

Then the gear heads who want us to do their methods because its fun.

That's why I say get your hitch and use it for whatever purpose or agenda you may have.

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George,

I forgot the post number, but there is a chart on page 41 of this thread produced by an Andersen hitch user of another brand of trailer that shows all his weights in detail.
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That might be true --
but doesn't change the fact that every WDH, including the Andersen WDH,
adds load to the TV's front axle,
removes load from the TV's rear axle, and
adds load to the trailer's axle(s).

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Ron, I have gone back and studied Bruce H's chart of weights on page 41 of this thread, and you are right that the Andesen WD hitch does add some of the tongue weight back onto the trailer's axles.

However, I have always heard it stated by many hitch "guru's", and this going back some 36+ years I have been using them, that a properly adjusted WD hitch will add 1/3 (or 33%) of the tongue weight back onto the trailer's axles. The MOST weight that Bruce's chart shows added to the trailer's axles is 80 pounds, or 20% of the trailer's 400 pound tongue weight.

So, it is my conclusion from Bruce's data that the Andersen WD hitch transfers less of the tongue weight back onto the trailer's axle than a conventional bar type WD hitch.
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:27 PM   #1008
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Steve,
Are these weights good or bad. My tongue weight is about 1100 pounds according to my scales. Looks like adjusted the weight going back to axles is less than 10%.
FYI, the unhooked weight was on a different day with the bed of the truck completely empty. The hooked up weight was fully loaded for camping.
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