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Do you Anderson hitch users experience any 'push' that is noticeable when being passed by a big rig? I am interested in details such as whether you can feel it or not and, or, do you have to make steering corrections? With my former Hensley and a GMC 2500HD with a Safari 28, there was absolutely no sensation of being passed. I am considering the ProPride but would go with the Anderson if I can be convinced I won't notice this phenomenon. Thanks.
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It should be noted that although you may not sense any "push" when being passed by a big rig with the Hensley hitch design, the forces are still present. The Hensley holds the entire rig in line as one unit. Wonderful, but there is a point at which the whole rig will lose traction, you just won't know it until it does. That takes a lot of force but the possibility exists with a combination of adverse conditions, the "perfect storm".

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Hi, I like reading this thread and learning about this hitch, but bashing a newby because he is trying to figure out the physics of this hitch is just not right. I remember when I was a newby and some people were reluctant to listen to me too. Do you remember when you were a newby? mstephens is trying to see if the numbers work and how this new hitch works. Either you can help him, or you can't. Just because he only has 32 posts, doesn't mean that he is stupid or arguing. You are the ones being argumentative, not him. Resorting to calling someone a TROLL because he wants to think deeper than most, which is something I have done most of my life, is not a bad thing. As my Mom would say, "Try looking in a mirror."

Hi, I think the idea of putting a roll pin in the lower part of the ball shaft was a good idea. Even if you don't plan on lifting it with your tongue jack, you wouldn't want it to fall out either. I also believe that the chain brackets could/should be re-designed too. I would want the Acme threaded shaft to be longer and run in a round tube, pointed downward towards the triangle plate. [straight shot] There should be a guide so the shaft wouldn't turn and no part of the chain would enter the bracket. Questionable whether the chains and connecting links should be stronger/larger.
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it became apparent to some of us that he really wasn't interested in the real numbers as he decided to not contact Andersen and proceed to make calculations without information to make the right calculations. this is misleading information to others. Myself and others encouraged him to call Andersen to get this information as it would be useful for others like himself looking for it.

As a user of the hitch the numbers do not translate to what we are seeing in the real world. He also posted later numbers that were not the same as earlier ones, or not the same others had come up with. Everyone has different numbers. ???????? Something is amiss

Personally I don't care about the numbers (As most don't with a traditional WD) as I know the hitch works very well. But for those looking for them, they need to call Andersen to get information that would be critical to their calculations. When people post different numbers and all claim to be right, well they can't now, can they.

Also when someone persist to post information again and again that contradicts others, it starts to smell a little like trolling to me. Now it may not be, he may be truly trying to figure things out. But if this is the case, why not call Andersen to get the real skinny? IMO
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Maybe we need another thread for this type of info. This thread has diverged into the numbers game a few times, as it is a new type of WD and seems to get the engineers amongst us minds going ( not a bad thing) but maybe a different thread is appropriate for that, and we keep this one to users experience mostly. ( mostly)
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Do you Anderson hitch users experience any 'push' that is noticeable when being passed by a big rig? I am interested in details such as whether you can feel it or not and, or, do you have to make steering corrections? With my former Hensley and a GMC 2500HD with a Safari 28, there was absolutely no sensation of being passed. I am considering the ProPride but would go with the Anderson if I can be convinced I won't notice this phenomenon. Thanks.
I will say I can feel them go by sometimes and also sometimes when passing them. But there is no sway it's a slight nudge of both TV and AS as one unit. I have had to make slight steering adjustment a few times. But I am a lot lighter than you are.

I am towing with 1/2 ton sequoia, not a 3/4 ton truck, and a 68' AS. Going into the Columbia river gorge I had 25+ mph side winds. I got nudged some, but no trailer sway. I watched other go all over the road with Wd hitches a friction sway control.

I have been very happy with the Andersen over my basic WD hitch, and friction sway. For me the selling point was the easy connect and disconnect, also the built in sway control. No other thing to hook up , and down the road I go. Simple and effective.
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Do you Anderson hitch users experience any 'push' that is noticeable when being passed by a big rig? I am interested in details such as whether you can feel it or not and, or, do you have to make steering corrections? With my former Hensley and a GMC 2500HD with a Safari 28, there was absolutely no sensation of being passed. I am considering the ProPride but would go with the Anderson if I can be convinced I won't notice this phenomenon. Thanks.
Yes, the truck and trailer tend to move as a unit which is something I don't remember experiencing with the Equilizer. I am thinking this is due to the greater friction control. I only experience this from the bow wake of a truck passing me. I get no sensation from trucks coming at me from the opposite direction. Nor any sway or movement from big side winds.
Maybe someone with an Equilizer can chime in if my memory is flawed on that one.
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it became apparent to some of us that he really wasn't interested in the real numbers as he decided to not contact Andersen and proceed to make calculations without information to make the right calculations. this is misleading information to others. Myself and others encouraged him to call Andersen to get this information as it would be useful for others like himself looking for it.

As a user of the hitch the numbers do not translate to what we are seeing in the real world. He also posted later numbers that were not the same as earlier ones, or not the same others had come up with. Everyone has different numbers. ???????? Something is amiss

Personally I don't care about the numbers (As most don't with a traditional WD) as I know the hitch works very well. But for those looking for them, they need to call Andersen to get information that would be critical to their calculations. When people post different numbers and all claim to be right, well they can't now, can they.

Also when someone persist to post information again and again that contradicts others, it starts to smell a little like trolling to me. Now it may not be, he may be truly trying to figure things out. But if this is the case, why not call Andersen to get the real skinny? IMO
Purman, Here's the problem with referring someone to the mfr for numbers and deep info....

I did this when comparing the EQ to the Reese dual cam, and now HAHA. When I contacted each mfr with deep questions, I was met with resounding vagueness, at best. Whether they don't know, or suspect the callers motives, I don't know....I suspect the latter. (for various reasons.....(lawyers "trolling" for info and getting you to say something they can use is a common one).

I never got complete info from any one of them, thus the discussions here from those who have the engineering background, or really like and need to know these things.

I have been reading this thread with interest, but really haven't participated to a great extent, because I don't have one to test myself. (I did my part for the community by buying and using the 3 above mentioned brands. If I bring home more "iron", I'll be wearing it around my ankles and neck at the bottom of a lake somewhere). So now I do rely on those who give anecdotal info as well as those who can decipher the engineering principles, so I can follow along what is subjective and what is objective.
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Hi, I like reading this thread and learning about this hitch, but bashing a newby because he is trying to figure out the physics of this hitch is just not right. I remember when I was a newby and some people were reluctant to listen to me too. Do you remember when you were a newby? mstephens is trying to see if the numbers work and how this new hitch works. Either you can help him, or you can't. Just because he only has 32 posts, doesn't mean that he is stupid or arguing. You are the ones being argumentative, not him. Resorting to calling someone a TROLL because he wants to think deeper than most, which is something I have done most of my life, is not a bad thing. As my Mom would say, "Try looking in a mirror."
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it became apparent to some of us that he really wasn't interested in the real numbers as he decided to not contact Andersen and proceed to make calculations without information to make the right calculations. this is misleading information to others. Myself and others encouraged him to call Andersen to get this information as it would be useful for others like himself looking for it.

As a user of the hitch the numbers do not translate to what we are seeing in the real world. He also posted later numbers that were not the same as earlier ones, or not the same others had come up with. Everyone has different numbers. ???????? Something is amiss

Personally I don't care about the numbers (As most don't with a traditional WD) as I know the hitch works very well. But for those looking for them, they need to call Andersen to get information that would be critical to their calculations. When people post different numbers and all claim to be right, well they can't now, can they.

Also when someone persist to post information again and again that contradicts others, it starts to smell a little like trolling to me. Now it may not be, he may be truly trying to figure things out. But if this is the case, why not call Andersen to get the real skinny? IMO
After you have carried on and on for several posts now about this, I think it is only fair that I get to rebut these claims you are making about me and my motivation. Believe me, I do not appreciate what you have been posting about me.

Yes, something is amiss. It is your understanding of my posts. There was no attempt to produce what you refer to as "real numbers." I did a very simple thing - I analyzed HOW the hitch works. That's all. To understand how this hitch works, I don't have to purchase one, mount it, and tow for a year. I also don't have to ask the maker for more information - he has supplied all the information I need to understand how the hitch works in his pictures and videos.

I could do the same thing for a Reese hitch, or an Equalizer or any other. What did I do? I drew a schematic of the forces, and I proposed how those forces are different than in conventional WD bar hitches. I then gave an example of "how to do the math" by using "example measurements." Never once, anywhere, at any time, in any post, did I say these were actual numbers from any specific rig. The use of schematics and sample calculations is an absolutely standard, everyday method in engineering works. Nothing unusual at all.

Maybe you have never participated in a technical discussion. Maybe you are unfamiliar with terms like schematic, force diagram, or method of calculation. I do not know. But to write post after post accusing me of some foul motivation or trolling because I choose to analyze the hitch in that way is inappropriate. I said not one impolite word to you and I would appreciate some civility.
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Purman, Here's the problem with referring someone to the mfr for numbers and deep info....

I did this when comparing the EQ to the Reese dual cam, and now HAHA. When I contacted each mfr with deep questions, I was met with resounding vagueness, at best. Whether they don't know, or suspect the callers motives, I don't know....I suspect the latter. (for various reasons.....(lawyers "trolling" for info and getting you to say something they can use is a common one).

I never got complete info from any one of them, thus the discussions here from those who have the engineering background, or really like and need to know these things.

I have been reading this thread with interest, but really haven't participated to a great extent, because I don't have one to test myself. (I did my part for the community by buying and using the 3 above mentioned brands. If I bring home more "iron", I'll be wearing it around my ankles and neck at the bottom of a lake somewhere). So now I do rely on those who give anecdotal info as well as those who can decipher the engineering principles, so I can follow along what is subjective and what is objective.
This is correct....when I first saw the advertisement for this hitch, I e-mailed Andersen and asked several questions. I remember asking what prevented the parts on the side of the tongue from sliding under the load, what was the load on the chains for 800 pounds of tongue weight, and what prevented the coupler pawl from failing?

To date, I have not received an answer.

Don't know if they thought I was not a legitimate customer, a lawyer looking for evidence, or another manufacturer trying to steal their invention, but in any event, they did not respond.
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Purman, Here's the problem with referring someone to the mfr for numbers and deep info....

I did this when comparing the EQ to the Reese dual cam, and now HAHA. When I contacted each mfr with deep questions, I was met with resounding vagueness, at best. Whether they don't know, or suspect the callers motives, I don't know....I suspect the latter. (for various reasons.....(lawyers "trolling" for info and getting you to say something they can use is a common one).

I never got complete info from any one of them, thus the discussions here from those who have the engineering background, or really like and need to know these things.

I have been reading this thread with interest, but really haven't participated to a great extent, because I don't have one to test myself. (I did my part for the community by buying and using the 3 above mentioned brands. If I bring home more "iron", I'll be wearing it around my ankles and neck at the bottom of a lake somewhere). So now I do rely on those who give anecdotal info as well as those who can decipher the engineering principles, so I can follow along what is subjective and what is objective.
I understand this, but the Napkin engineers here all have different numbers which make it confusing. (look at all the numbers put forth so far, none the same) Plus I have talked with Andersen for over 20 min. and everyone else who has called has had a good experience. This is why it was suggested, and since it's not a big firm you can usually talk to someone right away..

And whats the harm in trying??? This is the point!!!!!!!!! Why put numbers out there when they could be WRONG.. It's misleading..

None of us using it have those numbers, or seem to need them. This Thread is to discuss the real day use of the hitch, not to guess on the numbers for it. IMO
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