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Old 07-14-2013, 08:51 PM   #2129
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Jeez, I thought I had too much time on my hands.
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"...snip....GM/Chevrolet have changed to 50% for trucks, but still specify 100% for their SUVs ......."

Actually, they have reduced their percentage to 0% for their 1500's up to 7,000 pound trailers and 0% for their 2500/3500 models. Quite a large number of vehicles. Ford apparently is at the 50% you are quoting.

Makes sense that they would have different requirements for SUV's as they do not have nearly the front axle weight bias as the pickups.
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It is not my place to prove anything. You are the one making the statements that it does not work as advertised. Many with larger trailers have posted here that it does work. You choose to ignore those post.
About a year and a half ago out of necessity I towed a friends 2011 31' Classic for him for about 200 miles on just a ball, and like you say, "it worked".

We got the trailer home, and fortunately there was no damage done or injuries. I didn't want to do it at the time, there were several white knuckle moments, and if there were any practical alternative, I would not do it again. Just because "it worked", certainly does not make it the right thing to do.
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About a year and a half ago out of necessity I towed a friends 2011 31' Classic for him for about 200 miles on just a ball, and like you say, "it worked".

We got the trailer home, and fortunately there was no damage done or injuries. I didn't want to do it at the time, there were several white knuckle moments, and if there were any practical alternative, I would not do it again. Just because "it worked", certainly does not make it the right thing to do.
Nice story. Got anymore? I like mysteries and science fiction.
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Nice story. Got anymore? I like mysteries and science fiction.
I sure do, and this is directly from the Andersen Hitch web page: "10,000 lbs GTWR 1,400 lbs tongue weight"

Now that's some science fiction right there.
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I can see that you might see it that way. I call it creative advertising.
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I can see that you might see it that way. I call it creative advertising.
It's not "creative advertising", it's a bald faced lie.
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That might be one definition of creative advertising . Advertising companies/manufacturers have been doing that from time immortal.
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"...snip....GM/Chevrolet have changed to 50% for trucks, but still specify 100% for their SUVs ......."

Makes sense that they would have different requirements for SUV's as they do not have nearly the front axle weight bias as the pickups.
How do you define "front axle weight bias"?

You can get a 2013 Suburban (SUV) with Curb Weight=6413, Payload=2187, FGAWR=4180, RGAWR=5500. It requires 100% restoration for TW>600#.

You can get a 2013 1500 (pickup) with Curb Weight = 4460, Payload = 1940, FGAWR = 3200, and RGAWR = 3750. It needs only 50% restoration for TW<1485#.
How does that make sense based on "weight bias"?

Whether it does or does not make sense, the fact remains that Chevrolet specifies 100% for the Suburban.
Anyone who wants to use the full towing capabilities of the Suburban needs to take a close look at the WD capabilities of the Andersen WDH.

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You do not understand that an unloaded pickup has a higher percentage of weight on its front axle than an unloaded SUV?

I will make it simple. If the pickup has 60-40 weight bias toward the front axle and the SUV is 50=50, which is more likely to come into balance by adding weight to the rear axle?
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"Whether it does or does not make sense, the fact remains that Chevrolet specifies 100% for the Suburban."

Actually, GM "specifies" that up to 600 pounds of trailer weight is okay for the Suburban without WD hitch at all which covers a lot of trailers. Some might think 100% of Suburbans need 100% restoration 100% of the time from your statement. I am sure you did not mean it that way.
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"Whether it does or does not make sense, the fact remains that Chevrolet specifies 100% for the Suburban."

Actually, GM "specifies" that up to 600 pounds of trailer weight is okay for the Suburban without WD hitch at all which covers a lot of trailers. Some might think 100% of Suburbans need 100% restoration 100% of the time from your statement. I am sure you did not mean it that way.
That 600# rating has to do with that OEM tubular hitch itself, not the restoration of the front axle weight. This is why I switched to a Curt which is rated much higher.
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