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Old 06-17-2013, 07:51 AM   #1961
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doug, could you please refresh my memory on what exactly were the the problems that you personally had with the Andersen WD system.
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Old 06-17-2013, 08:33 AM   #1962
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doug, could you please refresh my memory on what exactly were the the problems that you personally had with the Andersen WD system.
What now. It's in this and the other thread among the mockery you have made to anyone posting a doubt or negative comment about the Andersen.

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Doug,

Keep in mind that Michael tows a 17' Bambi using the Andersen hitch, and like mine with my 17' Casita, probably does a very good job without problems.

It's the later model larger trailers such as yours that have all the issues with the need to replace the factory coupler because it won't stand the load the Andersen applies to it long term, the slipping of the side brackets even though the set screws are into drilled holes in the tongue, and the failure to adequately distribute the tongue weight.

Additionally some users have had the brake material the ball rides in fail, and need replacement in less than a year. A few of the urethane "springs" have failed also.

The Andersen WD hitch is a great concept, but it seems was not thoroughly tested in the real world, and needs lots of "refinements" to become a viable option for the larger, heavier trailers.
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Along that line could you please refresh our memory on Sean's comments that lead you to accept his expertize since many of them were removed by the Modes. Your quote from him flies in the face of Andy, from Inland RV, who has had 40+ years of commercial experience and has historically said most RVers use over weight bars and 1,400 lbs sound like it is in that category

You have no reservation of restating the Party Line on the subject of weight distribution so please indulge us on this one as some may not want to go back through this lengthily thread.

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Please keep in mind that my trailer is 34 ft long and a bit heaver that Doug's 25fter
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Doug, talk about calling the kettle black. It apparently is ok for you to slam Andersen on every thread that you get a chance but not ok for any one to praise them or question your motivations for your actions.
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---Your quote from {Sean} flies in the face of Andy, from Inland RV, who has had 40+ years of commercial experience and has historically said most RVers use over weight bars and 1,400 lbs sound like it is in that category
First -- from reading posts in AirForums, it is obvious to me that not all Airstream owners agree with Inland Andy's philosophy of WD bar selection.

Second -- I'm guessing that the majority of Sean's hitches are installed on trailers other than Airstreams. So, I don't know why anyone would expect to see Sean following Andy's philosophy.

I think that Sean recommends WD bar ratings on the basis of being able to comply with a TV manufacturer's specification of restoring the front axle to its unloaded weight.

With Sean's hitch, the added length causes the ball to be about 12" farther aft of the TV's rear axle than does a "conventional" hitch.
That means the amount of load initially removed from the TV's front axle might be about 20% greater than that which would result from a conventional hitch with the same tongue weight applied.
And, since Sean's hitch adds roughly 100# to the "tongue weight", the removed load might be up to 30% greater.

So, it's pretty easy to see that Sean's hitch might require 1400# bars when used with a tongue weight that might require only 1000# or 1200# bars with a conventional hitch.
And, if you find you don't need the full load transfer capability of the 1400# bars, it's a simple matter of cranking down the jacks to get less.

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You comments about the the PP moving the ball rearward about a foot and the additional weight of the hitch makes good reasoning for the 1,400 lbs bars with that hitch. But in no way should that logic be used when questioning the capicity of the Andersen as some have done.

Thanks for posting that explanation.
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First -- from reading posts in AirForums, it is obvious to me that not all Airstream owners agree with Inland Andy's philosophy of WD bar selection.

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I find it interesting that Inland Andy has written many times on this forum that the tongue weight MUST BE DIVIDED BETWEEN BOTH THE FRONT AND REAR axle of the tow vehicle, meaning if the tongue weight is 1000 pounds, 500 must be applied to the front axle, and 500 to the rear axle, and he specifically has said that trucks are not exempt from this. I know Andy T. also subscribes to this, and it is the practice that allows small vehicles to handle more trailer than they are really designed for.

Then when Inland Andy speaks of heavy duty trucks such as 3/4 and 1 ton, and even HD 1/2 tons, that if you have 1000 pounds of tongue weight, you must use 800 or smaller bars.

It seems to me it would take the same size bars to distribute 1000 pounds of tongue weight with a 3/4 ton truck as it does with a minivan, assuming all dimensions are the same such as wheel base and overhang.

Just my opinion on this, but it seems Inland Andy has more than one standard, and if you want to abide by his teachings, which one should you go by?
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Just my opinion on this, but it seems Inland Andy has more than one standard, and if you want to abide by his teachings, which one should you go by?
Hi, only on the Reese Dual Cam, that he promotes and sells. Maybe we should call Inland and ask his mechanics, Terry or Greg.

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I find it interesting that Inland Andy has written many times on this forum that the tongue weight MUST BE DIVIDED BETWEEN BOTH THE FRONT AND REAR axle of the tow vehicle, meaning if the tongue weight is 1000 pounds, 500 must be applied to the front axle, and 500 to the rear axle,
You will not the word "Divided" is not followed by the 'Equally". That wold be a mechanical impossibility without the use of I Beams and would not take into consider what portion of the tongue weight went to the trailer axles. I think if you find his comments you will not the the tongue weight is to be divided between the trailer ax;es and the front and rear TV axles. No singe equation could ever be written to cover this because of the infinite combinations of TV weights, trailer weights, trailer lengths, and TV lengths.

I think you are misreading that comment if he ever did state it that way.
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You will not the word "Divided" is not followed by the 'Equally". That wold be a mechanical impossibility without the use of I Beams and would not take into consider what portion of the tongue weight went to the trailer axles. I think if you find his comments you will not the the tongue weight is to be divided between the trailer ax;es and the front and rear TV axles. No singe equation could ever be written to cover this because of the infinite combinations of TV weights, trailer weights, trailer lengths, and TV lengths.

I think you are misreading that comment if he ever did state it that way.
I simplified it Howie. What he said was the tongue weight must be equally divided between the front and rear axle of the tow vehicle. And in reference to loading on a truck, this is when we got into our first argument.

My point is he has two different standards for wd depending on vehicle.

Andy T. also states equal loading of front and rear axles, and that is why, if you want to go back in this thread to research it, he does not endorse the Andersen....because he can't get his required amount of weight distribution with it.
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Your search capacity is more than likely better than mine and since it is your post I question would you please post either of these individuals posts that support your comment. Not even the current a 5th wheel trailer hitch approaches that ration. This came close.

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No, I've seen bumblebees fly.

But fail to understand what else you are trying to say.
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