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Old 01-15-2010, 08:15 PM   #71
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tastes great/less filling!

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...Maybe I'll start a thread about whether or not chocolate tastes good.
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here ya go ken, a very pleasant video on the cocoa bean and bakery goodies, pictures and things...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f484...sts-39649.html

or a very simple "let them eat cake" recipe...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f484...cup-56728.html

i'm gonna try a dutch oven chocolate/berry cake this weekend...

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Old 01-15-2010, 09:01 PM   #72
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i'm gonna try a dutch oven chocolate/berry cake this weekend...

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Let me know how it turns out, and what sway control you used for the baking pans...
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Old 01-15-2010, 10:09 PM   #73
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Thanks John.
I think I'll hang out on a less controversial thread for awhile.
Maybe I'll start a thread about whether or not chocolate tastes good.
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Let's see we could argue about:
1. The exploitation of peasant cocoa pickers to satisfy the capitalist, imperialism of American chocolate cravings
2. The dangers of chocolate on unrestrained libido
3. Hershey or Nestle ala Henshen vs Dexter
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Whether the OEMs use sway control during their towing tests or not - they are engineering an electronic trailer anti-sway system into their product lines. Ford offers the system which: "detects the yaw in one direction and selectively applies the brakes on the tow vehicle's opposite side - called asymmetric braking." In effect the vehicle reacts to counter the yaw of the trailer. The flier (http://media.ford.com/images/10031/T..._SuperDuty.pdf) also says the system can reduce engine power if needed. While they show a picture of a Super Duty - at the bottom of the flier - the system is standard on 5 vehicles in the line including the F150 and optional but included with the towing package on 5 others include the Escape. An interesting variation of the active handling systems.

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Reposting the link to Ford's flier on their system for sway control:

http://media.ford.com/images/10031/T..._SuperDuty.pdf

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Reposting the link to Ford's flier on their system for sway control:

http://media.ford.com/images/10031/T..._SuperDuty.pdf

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My objective was to prevent sway....not control it after it's started.
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Old 01-16-2010, 12:43 AM   #77
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Hi Bart,
I am curious about something. From your above post, you seem to have experience towing and some definite opinions formed before you started this thread. Were you just trolling? If so, you seem to have been very successful.
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Actually, I was just curious, since I'd never had any problems w/ towing stuff before... Watching that video of the little trailer getting blown over and taking the tow vehicle along for the ride was interesting; I'll make sure to stop and face into the wind if I ever get into 75 mph winds like that.

However, this subject seems to be rather emotionally laden for some folks, so seriously I'm sorry I brought it up, and my apologies if I offended anyone's sensibilities. I'm considering using some sort of anti-sway gear; in the mean time perhaps it would be best if you see this rig to please give me ample room:
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Bart, from the picture, you have parts of an old Reese dual cam anti-sway WD system on the trailer now. If you wanted to, you could pick up the rest of the parts, and piece together a decent system that you could "take with you" if you changed tow vehicles.
If you didn't want to do that, you could get one of those simple sliding bar, friction type sway controls. The latter would probably run around a hundred bucks. That one would have the advantage of being able to be left off or put on, if you hear about those hurricane-force winds heading your way. That would also be the minimum I'd suggest for sway control.
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Bart, from the picture, you have parts of an old Reese dual cam anti-sway WD system on the trailer now. If you wanted to, you could pick up the rest of the parts, and piece together a decent system that you could "take with you" if you changed tow vehicles.
If you didn't want to do that, you could get one of those simple sliding bar, friction type sway controls. The latter would probably run around a hundred bucks. That one would have the advantage of being able to be left off or put on, if you hear about those hurricane-force winds heading your way. That would also be the minimum I'd suggest for sway control.
Yup; I found the square spring bars the other day in the AS bedroom closet under some misc. detritus; the towing cable (electrical) for the original exterior lights was in the shower closet on top of the Univolt... still lots more cleaning to do.... There's no names or numbers I can see on any of the hitch equipment, so I'll need to figure out just what I have so I can set it up correctly. I'd rather run the dual cam than just a friction unit, I think, but I don't want to end up w/ a overly stiff setup as that just punishes the trailer - it doesn't want to try and lift the back of my rig off the ground, esp. when loaded for Burning Man, so getting the right stiffness bars seems important.

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Bart, from the picture, you have parts of an old Reese dual cam anti-sway WD system on the trailer now.
I agree. Looks like you have the Reese Dual Cam sway control now. I'm not expert on the system. But if this is what you got you should not need anything else. Can you send a close up of just the WD hitch with Dual Cam.
The Dual Cam itself are the parts on both sides, below the A frame (not the spring bars) that connect the spring bars to the A frame. If you do an internet search for Reese you should be able to find some photos of the system for your reference.

I still want to argue about chocolate, probably more fun than hitches and we don't have to take our selves so seriously.
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Bart,

Not trying to beat this to death here, but from your picture, you also need the weight distribution of the Reese hitch, IMHO.

Your truck is obviously high in the front, and low in the rear from the tongue weight of the trailer way back behind the bumper. The problem this causes is the reduction of weight on the front tires of your truck, which causes a reduction in traction on that axle. This is a BAD thing to happen to the primary stopping axle and only steering axle on the rig.

And contrary to your statement of WD hitches, they will not stiffen the ride if adjusted correctly, they will actually improve the ride. All you want to do with a WD hitch used with a truck is move the tongue weight directly over the rear axle, which will restore the weight, and therefore the handling, to the front axle of your truck.
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Yup; I found the square spring bars the other day in the AS bedroom closet under some misc. detritus; the towing cable (electrical) for the original exterior lights was in the shower closet on top of the Univolt... still lots more cleaning to do.... There's no names or numbers I can see on any of the hitch equipment, so I'll need to figure out just what I have so I can set it up correctly. I'd rather run the dual cam than just a friction unit, I think, but I don't want to end up w/ a overly stiff setup as that just punishes the trailer - it doesn't want to try and lift the back of my rig off the ground, esp. when loaded for Burning Man, so getting the right stiffness bars seems important.

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The width of the bars is what will tell you the rating. This is not exact (still early at my house, & I haven't had my coffee yet), but I remember the width being .9" being 600 pound, 1" being 750, and 1.2" being 900 or 1,000 pound rated. The most you would need for your truck and trailer would be the 600 pound ones. We use the 750's with our 31' and 3/4 ton pickup and Suburban.

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I still want to argue about chocolate, probably more fun than hitches and we don't have to take our selves so seriously.
I am allergic to chocolate.

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No such thing as white chocolate.
White chocolate is made from Cocoa butter.
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Hitch bars

Reese has 3 different rating bars.

They are measured at the top just as the bar enters into the trunnion.

The following is the ratings when used with their "dual cam sway control".

1 inch = 600 pounds

1 1/8 inch = 750 pounds

1 1/4 inch = 1,000 pounds

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